Comments (278) - In Response to "Do we really need them?"
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Jayne Shenstone· 173 weeks ago
Fantastic article. You will have their legal dept on your back for using the logo though. I have already been threatened with trademark infringement for using the acronym RSPCA!!
Check out these blogs:
http://rspcainjustice.blogspot.com/
http://rspcanotwhattheyseem.blogspot.com/
The public need to wake up to what this dreadful organisation has become.
Jayne
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Victoria Thomas· 173 weeks ago
The RSPCA are currently under investigation by South Wales Police after slaughtering ten German Shepherd dogs in Pontardawe in June, using a Captive Bolt Gun, an abattour weapon. It is not the first time they have used it, nor will it be the last. The dogs 'crime'? Their owner died!
This organization needs bringing down as soon as possible.
I commend the person who wrote this article, well researched and factual.
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Alex Smith· 173 weeks ago
Very well written, hope this blog stays here for quite a while. Nice to see the truth spoken.
Alex
Rev Peter Williams· 173 weeks ago
At last TRUTH well written and so very honest,The Charity commision,the Fraud Squad should investigate this organisation.
Judith Hancock· 173 weeks ago
I have heard so many worrying stories about this organisation over the years! A beloved pet dog picked up on the streets after escaping it's garden recently in Leicester was handed in to the RSPCA where it was put into a tiny dark damp garden shed and left there frightened and alone. The RSPCA had the nerve to charge the dog's elderly owner when he found it £100 for it's board and lodging for one night. No wonder they are the richest so called animal 'charity' preying on the weak and vulnerable!!!
Ian James· 173 weeks ago
Very well written and I applaud your courage, unfortunately the RSPCA, WSPA and Police all piss in the same pot. Through all the hard work of a particular person many are now becoming enlightened to the questionable practises of the RSPCA. I will say with regards to the South Wales Police investigating, they are only going through the motions; they will do what needs to be seen to be done and doubt if a prosecution will be brought against anyone, I do hope I’m wrong. Lets not forget that behind the scenes the RSPCA have Nigel Yeo – Ex Assistant Chief Constable, this is the man who sentenced a police dog to death for doing his job, Bruce a GSD was assisting his handler to break up a brawl and bit an offenders ear off. Nigel Yeo labelled Bruce as a "piece of equipment" which had failed and must be scrapped.
John warnes· 173 weeks ago
Totally agree. As somebody involved in the animal world (Chairman of a local dog club) - I have heard of, and am aware of many terrible things done by the RSPCA. I wouldn't donate a penny towards them. They are the most over-rated charity I have ever come across, and they do not always work in the best interests of animals.
Edith Ritchie· 173 weeks ago
Well said! Hope this article goes far.
The founding members must be turning in their graves, with anger and shame.
Ellen Ash· 173 weeks ago
Just substitute a few Australian incidents and places and this would be a perfect description of how the RSPCA operates in Australia.
Fenris· 173 weeks ago
Although the RSPCA have no powers, the result of an RSPCA investigation and prosecution can be devastating even if the result is a Not Guilty verdict.
Anyone receiving a visit from the RSPCA should not give the RSPCA any information, not let them in to see their animals, should certainly NOT sign anything or allow the RSPCA to take their animal to a vet.
The SHG runs a help line and can be contacted on 0844 700 66 90..
Further information can be seen on:
RSPCA-Animadversion
http://cheetah.webtribe.net/~animadversion/
SHG
http://the-shg.org
RSPCA Injustice Blog
http://www.rspcainjustice.blogspot.com/
Jade· 173 weeks ago
Brilliant article, it is about time the RSPCA were disbanded. There are people out there who REALLY care about animals and would look after all the wildlife, dog, cats etc.... And they wouldn't have millions in the bank and then say they can't afford to look after animals!
Sue Protheroe· 173 weeks ago
This is brilliant, lets hope this blog runs and runs, take a look at this too and please sign :-
http://www.petitiononline.com/bruno09/petition.ht...
then read this :-
www.animals-have-rights.co.uk
David Marshwell· 173 weeks ago
Goodness me, this article is well-researched, but there's a lot more to be said. The RSPCA's disgusting PR-people (led by that liar Henry Macaulay), and the BBC journalists (led by Macaulay's "partner" John Young) will be all over you like one of their armed police raids. Never forget Tony Sims's family and never let them give up hope - "Jenny" is coming home soon. Charles Hendry, our local MP and Vice-Chairman of the Party, has been so good!
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Angela Mandeville· 173 weeks ago
Sally Case and her fat-cat lawyers in the RSPCA's Prosecutions Department, and their so-called "colleagues" in that sickening chambers in Brighton, must be very scared indeed about what a Conservative Government is going to do. Everything this horrible organisation has done - every pensioner they've tried to hound into an early grave (Ken Bolton, 93 years young - still alive!), every disabled person's pet they've seized and killed (Jean Stack's dog Whiskey RIP), every child they've hounded through the courts (RSPCA v C - Nick Tucker we love you), every sacred cow their Illegal Operations Unit (led by Tim Wass) killed - will be laid bare and accounted for. Conservatives are coming!
Jayne Shenstone· 173 weeks ago
The public also need to know that this so called animal welfare charity is killing companion animals with captive bolt guns despite the fact that the WSPA states:
'The penetrative captive bolt pistol must be placed in contact with the animal’s skull and precise positioning is essential so that the bolt penetrates the correct area of the brain first time. Animals must be adequately restrained so that the head remains steady (Carding, 1977; Dennis et al., 1988; Beaver et al., 2001), which makes this method particularly difficult with fearful and aggressive dogs and cats (Carding, 1977). Furthermore, the conformational differences between the skulls of individuals and breeds of dogs increase the risk of a mis-stun. The principle skull types are dolichocephalic (long, narrow head), brachycephalic (short, wide heads) and mesaticephalic (medium proportions).
As there is a high risk of mis-stunning through inadequate use of the penetrating captive bolt, and hence causing pain and distress, WSPA considers this an unacceptable method for the euthanasia of dogs and cats.'
Remember that a captive bolt stuns, it doesn't kill - the heart continues to beat. In a slaughter house death occurs by bleeding out or pithing!! The RSPCA refuse to answer how the dogs finally died but pithing is usually done by means of a metal rod inserted in the hole left by the captive bolt - a metal rod such as a screwdriver.
The public will no doubt be pleased to know that their money donated to help animals is being used in this barbaric way!!
Alicia Key· 173 weeks ago
Our local vet was involved in an RSPCA prosecution a couple of years ago. He gave evidence for some farming client of his. The farmer was acquitted (on appeal), but the vet got the full animal rights treatment and was also reported to the RCVS. He had a breakdown and swears today that he'll never go through it again. What happens to his next farming client who faces false RSPCA allegations? Apparently he's lost clients because he's told them he can't go to court for them.
S A D· 173 weeks ago
At last someone else is putting the truth out there, I here about this stuff all the time but alot of your avarage everyday Jo Bloggs don't believe what you tell them, get this out in the media FRONT PAGE and on the main NEWS, for everybodys sake do something about these hitlerites.
Safewings· 173 weeks ago
It has been a long time coming but finally the MP`s Media and public are seeing the rspca for what it has become. And time the media stopped removal of justified comments regarding the rspca from websites.__They are no better than the Brown Shirts of the 1930`s and political power has become an obsession to them.__the usual suspects as they have been so aptly named have no respect for animals and cruelty only sees them incurring more public donations ( crime does pay ) Their latest attack is no wildlife rehabilitation and as certain publications show, they in their own words consider " Wildlife rehabilitation unviable" and they are now using their own agenda to apparently see wildlife destroyed sooner than having it cost them money.__The murder of the 10 GSD`s and the preventable death of the wild Golden Eagle, both recent events, highlight the facts thast the rspca do not have the dedication nor profficiency to deal with animals and should have removed all powers along with the removal of the Royal Patronage.__They should still be seen only as a pet charity that raises funds solely for those committed and experienced in animal husbandry and welfare.__There is no room now for the rspca in the 21st century.
Simon Glass· 173 weeks ago
One angle that has perhaps not been considered is the parallel between what the fascists were doing in the 1930s and what the RSPCA are doing now. The Nazis first administrative act was to outlaw the boiling of lobsters - they outlawed hunting and the keeping of pets. The RSPCA allow themselves to be supported by the BNP - just look at what BNP Councillor Mark Logan and the BNP's "Community Action Team" have done for the RSPCA's powerbase in Havering. Look what they tried to do to Paul Shotton in Stoke, in order to get the BNP elected in Fenton. These are really scary people and they need to be stopped - remember Ossie Glover, the first (and last?) black RSPCA Inspector.
Keith Protheroe· 173 weeks ago
This organisation lost sight of what it was originally set up for years ago. It has now become driven by how much money it can make using the public's donations to make investments and have lost heavy amounts of the public's money due to some of these. They are no longer interested in the welfare of animals, not unless there is a TV crew around where they can grab the limelight and use this to sucker the public into donating more of their hard earned cash. They also plough money into vivisection. That's something they do not want the public to know either see here (http://www.animals-have-rights.co.uk/page_1253655... ).
As stated by the above poster, its about time the Media front paged this organisation but unfortunately I doubt that the Media has the bottle to do this as they seem too frighten to take them on and therefore the RSPCA will get away with whatever they want knowing that they can without any real challenge. They put down perfectly healthy stray dogs to train their Inspectors in using the captive bolt guns.
We will always continue to expose this corrupt organisation but until people get off their backsides and actually start DOING something about them then they will continue to run rough shod over everyone.
You can read more of the RSPCA at www.animals_have_rights.co.uk
Elcin Kurtulus· 173 weeks ago
thank you for all your supportive comments so far. Please spread this article as far as you can and thanks for reading! :)
Keith Protheroe· 173 weeks ago
A question I wanted to ask and forgot was this: If we voted the Conservative Party in at the next general election, will they actually DO something about the RSPCA ?
I have always voted Labour but if I knew the Conservatives would actually do something to stop this organisation then I would happily vote for them and that goes for my whole Family and Friends.
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yasinakgun58p· 173 weeks ago
Hi Keith, I've posed the question to a Conservative Party MP and MEP. I'll post the reply when I receive it. I don't think there's much the Conservatives can do as the RSPCA is non-government or tax funded.
What would you propose be done, if you could decide?
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Keith Protheroe· 173 weeks ago
If it was impossible to disband them then I would like to see the whole organisation policies revamped. Get rid of the rot at the top. Get rid of those at the top like Tim Wass etc'. Make them more accountable for what they can and cannot do and set up a independent "Watchdog" to make sure that they tow the line and do exactly what they were set up to do originally.
Also get rif of the intimidating uniforms so that they cannot frighten little old ladies by trying to look like Police Officers.
The list is endless really.
I think that they are now so corrupt that it has probably gone beyond the point of no return regardless of how much restructuring is made that the only way now is to disband them once and for all. At the end of the day they do very little in terms of animal rescue. There are other better organisations such as Dog Trust & Blue Cross who could help take on the responsibility as the donations would then be more likely be given to them and smaller rescues could also be highlighted and attract more public donations to help them do the good (and better) job that they do in rescuing and re-homing animals.
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Safewings· 173 weeks ago
There needs to be a full public enquirey into the rspca and a full disclosure regarding to their alleged criminal record.
There is no real need for the rspca as most of the real work in animal welfare and especially rescue is done by the experienced independant groups that actually have no political aims other than helping animals.
This Government attempt to put all costs and accountability into the private sector. The rspca have been handed control of animal welfare on a silver plate it costs Browns` Government nothing and puts the usual suspects above reproach and above the law. The times they have acted incorrectly is too numerous to mention but they can it appears get away with anything. If you write to the Heads of rspca they simply ignore your correspondence, there is no formal independant complaints proceedure regarding the rspca so they continue just as they like.
But every petition, article, misconduct relating to the negative actions of the rspca is soon buried or simply ignored.
No one should be above the law.
David Levine· 173 weeks ago
I have to say, perhaps controversially, that I think that there are a still lot of good people who work for the RSPCA. My cousin Caroline was one of them. She used to manage the local RSPCA Centre - she loves animals, but hates the money-hungry bosses who run the RSPCA's grim business. She now runs a small rescue, which is not RSPCA-branded. The whole business of "animal rescue" is being "Tescoised" by the RSPCA - with a sick added twist. Small rescues are often raided and the competition directly eliminated in that way. Tesco would not be able to get away with that. The RSPCA won't work with small rescues. The police send all the best pets to the RSPCA for "rescue". The RSPCA seems to be killing almost every animal they get their hands on, too!
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Sarah Martin· 173 weeks ago
I must say that, whilst I agree with a lot of what is said in the two pages of comments above, a lot of the problems with the RSPCA would fall away if they lost the power to prosecute. The police, rightly, lost the power to "investigate and prosecute" many years ago. The majority of forces had voluntarily abandoned this and developed their own independent prosecutions units back in the 1960s. The idea of fair and independent prosecutors "hot desking" with people whose evidence they may have to challenge to fulfill their role is a comical one - but it is a comedy that is acted out in Horsham every day. If it wasn't such an expensive farce it would be funny. The RSPCA spends £11,000,000 on its prosecutions every year. Just imagine what the CPS could do with that kind of money - they don't pay their lawyers £400 an hour, or give them interest-free housing loans, private healthcare and an index-linked final salary scheme. They also don't persecute the old, the disabled, the penniless and the young.
Jayne Shenstone· 173 weeks ago
AWA:
'The Act (like most law) is a ‘common informers’ act’, and this means that anyone is allowed to bring a prosecution for an offence. Whilst it is envisaged that the RSPCA will continue to investigate offences and bring prosecutions, particularly in relation to companion and domestic animals, RSPCA inspectors will not have formal enforcement powers under the Act. So, for example, where access to premises without the owner’s consent is sought, the RSPCA will have to be accompanied by a local authority or Animal Health inspector or police officer, as was the case in previous law.
Inspectors can be appointed by local authorities on a full-time, part-time or temporary basis. They can exercise the enforcement powers as detailed in the Act (powers of entry and seizure, for example), but the local authority remains responsible for their actions.'
If the Animal Health Inspectors and Police were doing their jobs properly and the CPS prosecuting - there is no need for an RSPCA.
Incidentally, much of the cost of RSPCA prosecutions comes out of the public purse.
Safewings· 173 weeks ago
How can the rspca consider itself animal welfare orientated when it cannot even help to support its` own small centres from closing
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.h...
It is grotesque that that benefit hugely from animal cruelty with public donations yet want their cake and eat it by pleading in the local papers that unless the public come up with some exorbitant fee such as £150,000 the little rspca rescue in the town will close.
I think most people once respected the rspca but now talking to many involved in actual animal welfare the respect has sadly turned to contempt.
Paul Shotton· 173 weeks ago
Absolutely outstanding blog and comments, its about time politicians realised whats happening out there. Keep up the excellent work.
Public Opinion· 173 weeks ago
The RSPCA make money by mounting prosecutions and where sucessful (and often even if not) asking for their costs from public funds, they often get a prosecution where the accussed if convicted will only be fined several £100's.
The RSPCA solicitors or barristers bills may be into several £10k's (perhaps £3-4 k on a small one where the accused pleads guilty) or even £100k's in a big case.
The RSPCA then ask for their costs awarded from public funds, so joe public foots the bill, this could also be their boarding or vets fees etc, so the cost can really get ramped up.
The RSPCA then get their media dept to publicise the prosecution in the local media via press releases and breifings, this results in maximum publicity driving local, sometimes national donations to them.
Additionally joe public foots the bill where the RSPCA call for police intervention, we have seen this just this week, its common for 5-10 police officers to accompany the RSPCA on an arrest, the RSPCA cant lose, they get their cost paid, free police and magistrates, free publicity and just recieve the donations, cheaper to prosecute than advertise indeed.
Safewings· 173 weeks ago
The public cannot get much help if any from legal aid so unless they are wealthy they have little chance of any fair representation.
I was called as an expert witness against the rspca who sat in court as if it was a war crimes tribunal, they were as usual decked out with medals and pips adorning their SS style uniforms and their barristor was a little underhanded to say they least but fair play to the Magistrates their so called expert witnesses evidence was removed from the case.
Even though when the rspca blatantly fail animal welfare they escape prosecution. A raptor is the easiest species of bird to keep so why did the rspca kill this beautiful bird and escape retrobution?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjM9m0xVK3M&fe...
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Alby Walker· 172 weeks ago
It's interesting to see Labour's Paul Shotton posting above - and a shame that by-election never came. It wasn't for want of trying.
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Karel· 172 weeks ago
I personally would not want to see the demise of the RSPCA, but agree with you, they definitely need to undergo re- structuring at the top. So that donations go to the welfare of the poor animals and not into the Boards pockets. Society is indeed to blame for most of the problems, and euthanasia is unfortunately necessary. However, the Inspectors have too much power over the public and should not be allowed to put a healthy animal in the back of the van and destroy it. I have also heard that if somebody applies to be an Inspector, they have to prove they have the bottle to kill animals. I won´t go into the details.
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Jill· 172 weeks ago
Firstly, I think the article is rather extreme, and dont agree with all of it. To be able to "trust all people in this country with good judgement" is in an ideal world. Unfortunately it doesnt work like that. Some people are irresponsible, ignorant, and just cruel.
On the other hand, i really do think the RSPCA does need to change. I think it needs new managers, board members, chairman, etc. The idea of the original organisation is great, but they have lost their way, and I feel it is at the top. It has made me rather depressed, as I wouldnt want to see the organisation dissapear altogether, as it does prosecute, and if run properley, is what we need for the animals. But again, I do think it needs genuine, non-corrupt people to run it.
As for putting the animals down, (and i probably wont be popular for this) but I feel that that is society`s fault. There are that many unwanted animals through peoples stupidity and ignorance, that there wouldnt be room in shelters. The existing shelters have already got waiting lists. I also want to add, that I do not agree with putting them to sleep, and I certainly wouldnt do it, even if it was policy.
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forex robot· 172 weeks ago
nice post. thanks.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
If the true facts concerning the rspca`s actions and misconduct were made fully public then they would surely be made accountable and seen for what they have become. The rspca are afraid to debate live in the public domain which highlights their lack of knowledge and lack of real conviction in defending its` actions and policies. All you get is a weak pre empted statement and then a total refusal to further respond. They have become above reproach and all formal complaints just do not get answered simply because they have become a law unto themselves.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
The rspca seems more interested in becoming a military force which should have no place in an animal charity. If you look at respected animal charities and rescues they have emblems on show on sweatshirts and fleeces to enhances the work they do in a caring manner and not in the intimidating fashion of the rspca. Many came from pre uniformed positions to join the rspca which obviously can lead one to believe that the emphasis was on the uniform not the actual position and the idealogy of actually helping animals.
As for capability how can anyone become profficient with all species after a 6-7 months training course most of which is taken up by other agenda than actually learning about the behavioural patterns and needs of the animals they may encounter.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Wildlife is their biggest failure and in many cases they cannot identify species, give out incorrect feeding advice ( some of which life threatening ) to the unknowing public. It is totally unacceptable that an animal charity with this much power can ignorantly advise a lady that found a young Little Owl to feed it " WEETABIX" and tell another lady who found a close rung Barn Owl wearing anklets and Jesses in her bedroom to just let it go !!
For one it is illegal ( punishable by a £5000 fine and or 6 months imprisonment ) and secondly it would have been a death sentance for the all too obviously captive bred bird, it was silly tame. The rspca state "All damaged birds are better off dead" and that they consider "wildlife rehabilitation unviable" yet continue to get involved with wildlife.
Faust· 172 weeks ago
Most RSPCA inspectors are reject police/military tin pot hitler types who didnt make the grade for a proper uniform wearing career and who just want to dress up in a uniform and intimidate ordinary members of the public, The abuse of the RSPCA's prosecution policy is now legendary, it certainly does pay to prosecute and not advertise. There is a long and growing list of RSPCA victims, many who suceed at appeal, reputations tarnished, who will testify that the RSPCA coach witnesses, fabricate statements and evidence to obtain their cherished prosecution, and isnt it uncanny that every sucessfull prosecution case is always the worst case the inspector has seen.
There are many anti RSPCA sites now on the net, one of the best is;
www.rspcainjustice.blogspot.com it shows the RSPCA in a completely new light.
Nick Griffin· 172 weeks ago
On a political note isnt it interesting that the BNP are now supporting the RSPCA and funding them financially, its all reminicent of 1930's Germany, so next on the political agenda will be live lobster boiling ! and halhal meat. More interesting is the political prosecutions, the conservative mayor of Havering ? and labour deputy mayor of stoke, these are BNP target areas.
One must ask the question, are the RSPCA and BNP colluding to take down the BNP's political opponents ? I notice a comment from Alfred Walker, the leader of the BNP in stoke expressing dissapointment re a by election in Fenton that didnt happen, and recall that the incumbemt labour politician, was acquited of charges, was this all part of a pre arranged plot ?
Advice to all politicians would be to get rid of your pets if you live in a BNP target area, or you are likely to get you door smashed in by the RSPCA special operations unit.
Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
RSPCA figures for 2008 show that they destroyed 8313 dogs and 12,329 cats and they state that healthy animals are destroyed because they are opposed to keeping dogs in kennels for lengthy periods. How long is too long? That is a staggering 22 dogs and 33 cats dying every day.The RSPCA state that ‘animals of unknown origin’ will be euthanised after only seven days! And only this year, there was a report of someone’s much-loved cat being ‘euthanised’ by an RSPCA inspector within hours of it being mistakenly reported as a stray. When it comes to animal welfare with the RSPCA it's all down to cost. It is much cheaper to euthanise a cat or a dog than it is to spend time and money on boarding costs or rehabilitation.
We shouldn't be killing animals because they are surplus to requirement. We should have legislation in place to stop all of this unregulated breeding.
How many prosecutions have been brought against puppy farmers since the implementation of the AWA - I think you will find it is close to a big fat zero!
How many scumbags topping up their benefits by selling puppies for cash have been prosecuted for fraud?
Why is there no affordable spay/neuter scheme in the UK. Some vets are raking in up to £300 to spay a bitch
It's all about money. If there were less pets, the vast billion pounds pet industry would suffer. If there were no cruelty there would be no jobs for the RSPCA. These organisations put vast pressure on governments to prevent anything that would affect their profits.
It's always the innocent that suffer
Fenris· 172 weeks ago
For those who claim it is necessary for the RSPCA or any shelter to kill animals please take a look at
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?page_id=166
Nathan Winograd has shown that there is no need to kill healthy animals.
That is why he is so condemned by the wealthy organisations running the animal rights movement, like the R£PCA, H$U$, PETA and A$PCA.
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Lisa S· 172 weeks ago
Hmmm.....sounds like the PETA/HSUS types here in the States. These slimebags raise SOOOO much money by telling people they are "helping the animals" when in fact all they're doing is harassing the animal's OWNER. This is animal rights 101 (as opposed to animal welfare advocates who really do help the animals). The best way to get rid of them is to expose what they are doing so no one donates. Great job exposing them!!!!
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
The rspca must be aware of this blog so are its` days numbered ? Or are the rspca prepared to debate all the serious issues raised here and dispell the doubts ?
But they are afraid of any constructive debate put forward by people that have a well balanced point so hide behind the media blanket that is all too regularly dropped over any bad press or opinion against them. Sadly it is a pity that we all cannot hide when we are called to make ourselves accountable or face responsibility.
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Safewings· 172 weeks ago
The rspca continue to amaze as once again they fail to help support one of their own Veterinary clinics from closing and let the BNP grab the attention and a permanent link with the rspca.
If they can willingly accept handouts from anyone then along with this link and its` content its` a very sad day for not only animal welfare but for morality.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=...
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
One posting off the link above sums it up " Blood and Honour "
Now perhaps the MP`s, Media and public will finally open their eyes and smell the coffee ?
Mrs Cheryl Bush· 172 weeks ago
It takes great courage to allow 'truth out', along with the powerful compassionate content of this article. This is what we the public, require from our politicians - 'truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth'! Due to this article alone, I am voting Conservative.
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Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Should not all of our MP`s be made aware of this excellent blog and asked directly for feed back. Surely the media need this pushed under their noses.
It is clearly obvious that many many people have an animal welfare interest and wish to see animal welfare improved.
The facts are that it will never happen with the rspca running amok or with a Labour Government in power. The facts are cast in stone that prove since Labour came to power and the rspca were hand animal welfare law and a free hand to Police it as they like animal well being has taken a huge step backwards. Time for a new broom to sweep and some commonsense installed.
Keith Protheroe· 172 weeks ago
The "Press" are well aware of this issue and have been for sometime but they will not take up the gauntlet either because they do not find it interesting enough or they are too scared to do so. The latter explanation is my guess.
It also requires people getting off their backsides and actually doing something constructive about it instead of just sitting there bleating about it and hoping someone else will do it because they have become apathetic.
Opportunities have been there to make a stance but have been ignored and just a handful of people being active against the RSPCA HQs policies etc' is not enough to be taken seriously. You only have to look back at the fuel protests to see that when they had the upper hand on the first major protest and were sold out by one of its leaders. Every protest since has had no effect at all and it is the same with this "campaign".
I fear we will still be saying the same old thing in 10 years time. That Is not to say that we should stop doing whatever we can to bring it to the fore and I will carry on until either something is done or I draw my last breath in this world.
http://www.animals-have-rights.co.uk
and don't forget to sign the petition as every signature counts:
http://www.petitiononline.com/bruno09/petition.ht...
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e_vigilante· 172 weeks ago
In anawer to Keith I think you will find that their investment portfolio, has been invested in Daily Newspaper. They have none in the Daily Telegraph, so it is them that needs to be targeted.
They also tell us that the reason for the high increase in animals going into their kennels, is the recession. During the 70's and 80's recession, the rehoming was on an increase . In the 90's it was in a decline ,but still above the figures from 2002 until now, and in the 60's they were pu tting down 350K animals which seem to be domestic pets, and I believe selling them to a glue factory in Yorkshire. The amounts are off their own website. If you cannot find it email me [email protected]
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Safewings· 172 weeks ago
I have been invited onto different TV programmes regarding animal welfare issues but as soon as the rspca is mentioned and the TV do not get positive response they drop you.
The BBC covered a programme relating to Animal Sanctuaries and I was contacted but as soon as the rspca were mentioned I was dropped from the programme. It went out presented by a TV Vet that is employed by the rspca it was totally biased as it only reported on the poorly run rescues and did not give anytime for those that are profficient.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Here are a couple of emails that may prompt some corresponse being sent If enough people send then the BBC may take off the blinkers.
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
Keith Protheroe· 172 weeks ago
These have been emailed already with no interest from any of them unfortunately.
Dozens of emails by lots of people were sent out but you may just if well banged your head against a brick wall.
http://www.animals-have-rights.co.uk
and don't forget to sign the petition as every signature counts:
http://www.petitiononline.com/bruno09/petition.ht...
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Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
Caption competition:
Why do the RSPCA have stab-proof vests?
http://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2009/11/...
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Oh what a tangled web they weave,
in their quest to deceive.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/buteobuc...
The rspca did not want to know about this dog that was left tied up for up to 14 hours a day. Notice no food or water.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/buteobuc...
At the front wheel of the rspca van there is a dead cygnet that the rspca fished out of a public lake. But instead of having some morality and covering the dead cygnet up and discretly removing it they just threw it against the wheel to the great upset of the children and adults that walked by. This shows the rspca at their contemtable best !
Victoria Thomas· 172 weeks ago
Have a look at www.petstreet.com. Click on News, first item, RSPCA, trying to look as though there is a purpose to their being there. Notice the Freudian slip in the report where they say they ''will not comprise animal welfare'
That's so near the truth it hurts!!
Verity Maxwell· 172 weeks ago
Readers may be interested to note another documented disconnect between what they do themselves and what they do to others, if they compare the ten German Shepherd captive bolt gun shootings with thsi story from Melbourne, Australia - http://www.theage.com.au/national/call-for-cat-sh...
where the RSPCA is calling for a sacking of the mayor and a councillor in a Victorian country town becasue the councillor shot a cat and her kittens and the mayor defended the action. Most relevant passage :
"But RSPCA president Hugh Wirth says the shootings are indefensible acts of cruelty, and an animal should only ever be shot in an emergency situation, if it is suffering and needs to be put down immediately.
''This was not an emergency situation,'' Dr Wirth said. ''I'm completely outraged.''"
Well, well!!!!
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Which figure is correct or is it as per se` deliberately massaged figures to bloat the rspca even further. Lies of Biblical proportions:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.w...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.p...
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Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
Of course the RSPCA control the press/TV but not the internet - yet!!
I think the public are beginning to wake up to them - albeit slowly.
Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
Yet another animal killed by them:
RSPCA killed our cat, say heartbroken Norwich family
Please ensure that this tragic story, about an out-of-control charity with a policy of euthanasia, gets the airing that it deserves in the public domain? Is it your view that the cat was "bolted", or properly put down by a vet within 4 hours of it being taken away by the charity's employee?
http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/news/story...
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Richard· 172 weeks ago
For the ‘uninitiated’, it’s vitally important to appreciate the truly heinous nature of the RSPCA’s ‘modus operandi’. Like our royalty and the Queen, they are seen as sacrosanct and beyond reproach by the Media, the Police, most of the veterinary profession and the Law Courts – as well as Joe Public. But, quite unlike our illustrious and much love head of state and her family, the RSPCA deserves none of its elevated status.
I was prosecuted by them a year ago; in all the hearings, they wheeled in a host of pathological liars and exaggerators (including PCs), who (whilst under oath) had no compunctions in stitching me up. In my absence, they had gate-crashed my home and taken my dogs under AWA 2006 Section 18(5), which stipulates that they should have had a vet’s certificate before doing so – which they didn’t have, nor had even attempted to get. However, all judges and magistrates - right up to the High Court - are so totally mesmerised by the RSPCA’s kitsch black uniforms and their awesome reputation that they appear to ‘walk on water’ to such naive and unworldly dignitaries! Anything (and I mean anything) the RSPCA chooses to demand of the Courts, the Media, the Police and the Veterinary Profession, the RSPCA invariably gets! Even where the facts, legal principles and weight of evidence are very heavily weighted against the RSPCA, the Courts will make a sentimental judgement in their favour in 9 out of 10 cases. Any pet-lover is assumed to be cruel and therefore guilty, unless he manages to prove otherwise – which is almost impossible when pitted against such odds.
My animals were kept in custody for the best part of a year whilst ‘due legal process’ wended its labyrinthine way along. There the dogs caught the very debilitating disease, ‘Giardia’ and grew at half their normal rate. I was allowed to visit them just twice during that year. The RSPCA then had them taken from me by the Courts - but also demanded and were awarded £16,000s worth of kennelling and legal costs! Magistrates, Judges and Recorders are completely blind to these sorts of injustices, when making their decisions. They simply didn’t realise that they were effectively passing a death sentence on my 14 perfectly healthy pedigree dogs and destroying my valuable bloodlines - all in the name of Animal Welfare!! The RSPCA's 'gravy-train' is driven by Mammon alone; animal welfare and any compassion for pets is not an issue at all for them.
New Labour’s Britain is no longer place for dog-lovers or dogs (or those who value their dignity), so I’ve given up my teaching career in the UK and emigrated!
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Safewings· 172 weeks ago
And now the BBC will not investigate the murder of the 10 GSD`s by the rspca.
WE all pay our TV licenses yet are censored from information by the biased BBC`s unfair discretionary actions.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
The BBC are apparently looking for Original and investigative stories for their current affairs programmes.
Perhaps with her receiving numerous links to the many blogs relating to the rspca it may open their eyes to what is actually happening.
Surely she will be glad to hear from anyone that has an issue
[email protected]
Helen Grady
Producer, BBC Radio Current Affairs
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Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
The BBC won't touch them. Apparently Henry Macaulay's (Head of media RSPCA) boyfriend works for the BBC.
They will have other people that they can influence high up at the BBC, to stifle anything negative about them.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Have emailed Ms Grady but as it is the BBC I do not expect even a response
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Gillian Evans· 172 weeks ago
I have had the need to phone the RSPCA on a number of occasions & have never ever been helped. Most of my phone calls have been due to stray dogs/cats.
I had no idea they had such power--something needs to be done. I haven't given them a penny for years & I will never give them a penny again.
Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
The RSPCA have no more power than you or I. However they wear police style uniforms and give themselves police style titles - so people think they have powers.
The responsibility for implementing the animal welfare act lies with the animal health inspectors who are employed by the local councils. They have power of entry as do police.
You are completely wasting your time by ever ringing the RSPCA. In future ring you local council and ask to speak to the animal health inspector - do not be fobbed off
http://www.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/welfa...
Lynn Weston· 171 weeks ago
I know the RSPCA are very greedy and certainly don't try to take in more animals and I am not surprised to read they had the space to shelter more animals and yet they chose to use the space for themselves.
It's a real eye opener what you have wrote, there is one thing I am against and that is having dogs tails docked, we are always saying be happy with what you are born with. If these dogs were meant to have a stump, that Is how they would be born. you also mention pet shops where I live, just like the RSPCA they are only interested in making profit.
when I go for my pet food, I see quite a few ill looking animals.
Richard· 171 weeks ago
I forgot to mention above that, every time I lost a Court hearing, the RSPCA publicity machine duly kicked in with a vengeance. I was featured in half-page colour spreads in three local papers with pictures of one of the puppies with a torniquet on its tail (with the comments like "shame", etc.) along with a report on our local HTV channel. This was again repeated following the loss of my Appeal. Even a real criminal wouldn't have received such appalling treatment! In other words, whatever the RSPCA had requested of these arms of the media in terms of publicity, was automatically granted to them. Some anonymous individual even posted a copy of the HTV report on an online website!
This relentless pursuit of publicity by the RSPCA at my expense has had some unpalatable consequences; both my house and car (whilst parked in my driveway) have been vandalised on several occasions since then. Now I have no option but to live abroad. I shall not live in a country where the authorities are given 'carte blanche' to invade my home!
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Safewings· 171 weeks ago
One of the only common sense policies the rspca once held was not to rehome animals over the Christmas period.
Whether you agree or disagree it is strange and most likely money related that they now change their policy.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.t...
e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
I would like to have a look at anyones RSPCA case File you can get it from your Soliciter for free only up to 6 years after your case, unless you are Appealing ETC. I have studied Law for 8 years, I am actually horified with the mistakes they make. If you have been a victim contact me, and I will help you get your file and we can see how the evidence might form a pattern, rather leaving you to frightened to put your head above the parapit.. I do not have to mention you names.
e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
We need a new list of solicitor to take on RSPCA, in stead of telling you to plead guilty to get it over with. If you have been ill advised, you can bring a case against your solicitor, some work pro bono. Through my experience, I have not yet come across, a good solicitor, working in this field, has anyone felt they had been advised, to plead guilty., when they thought they should, have not done so. I read the Anon listing from a rspca employee, Tony or Debbie Sims, did not tell me they had a friend in Horsham
[email protected]
e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
I spoke to another victim last night, yet another tail docking. I wonder who is failing to consider the art of tail docking and castration of baby lambs at 3-7 days of age. Having bred dogs, and producing ticket winners, I had to dock my own puppies tails, and they would wimper, for a few seconds and quite happily, go back to suckling mum. When you ring/band lambs they are not semi-mobile, they are fully functioning and happily running about. The minuet it is done they fall over, and are disorinatedfor approx 30 mins. They then have to wait for the blood supply to stop, to stop it throbbing, could be hours or days if they are tiny lambs. I would suggest ,you put a tight band on you finger and feel the pain for yourselves.
In Australia the cut the back of the lambs buttock off, with the a sort of Garden Shears to leave open flesh wounds, in the hope if will stop flystrike from under the tail,. the exposed patchs are approx 4x5 inches,.
Defra has been talking about banning banding in lambs, for many years, I think everybody who donates their money to the RSPCA, ought to say how their money should be spent., as they are happy to see baby animals suffering, that they cannot generate donations from.
Perhaps you should persuade people ,to leave their money to the Brooke, a real culture changing charity
Victoria Thomas· 171 weeks ago
I have just received a letter from DEFRA which states '' I have spoken to officials (The RSPCA presumably), and can confirm that captive bolt guns, followed by pithing to ensure death, is a mechanical euthansia method listed under the OIE terrestrial (sic) code as an accepted method on welfare grounds for euthanasia of dogs. This is one of a variety of methods which may be used for euthanasia of dogs; it is important to be aware that this method requires a skilled operator to ensure that the shot is accurate''.
How does this counter balance with Promoting Kindness, Giving Animals A Voice, and Preventing Cruelty??
Euthanasia means Peaceful Death. What is peaceful about being shot in the head with a three inch bolt?
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
How delighful that the rspca can after some perhaps fumbled attempts actually stun the dogs with the captive bolt gun and then subsequently begin pithing. For those who are not aware pithing is a technique in which the brain of the animal is scrambled with a tool ( sometimes in the case of the rspca a stick ) inserted through the hole in the skull created by the afore mentioned captive bolt gun.
Sadly anyone with any animal knowledge places DEFRA alongside the rspca in being as much use as a chocolate fireguard. If they cannot find it on their screens then they go into abort.
Have a lovely example of DEFRA incompentence regarding the H5N1 hype a few years ago.
Victoria Thomas· 171 weeks ago
I also had a letter from the Charities Commission, who inform me that the animals are not the beneficiaries in the RSPCA structure, the people are the beneficiaries, in terms of education etc. So now we know, the RSPCA are not, and have never been, there for the benefit of the animals. Isn't that ''Obtaining money under false pretences''?
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Safewings· 171 weeks ago
The only beneficiaries are the fat cat rspca employees themselves and what a waste of money. If their vast wealth was spread between all the good animal rescues what a difference would be made.
The rspca in Australia are considerably better they actually address serious issues in most cases face on. They have caused the banning of public fireworks in many areas and today they have succesfully stopped the continuation of jumps racing due to the high death toll in 2009. But here in the UK cruelty brings in revenue for our rspca so why would they wish to stop it?
Ian james· 171 weeks ago
The RSPCA will be seeing the New Year in with a BANG! Remember a dog is for life not just for Christmas.
e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
This is for Victoria. The RSPCA hold their charitable status due to the fact they educate people, by way of advising them. how to look after their animals and things like freedom foods. The major loophole in that, is they are giving out advise and inprovement orders, with not having formal training. So you are given these forms on the persons opinion, not textbook studies. While the New Act passage through Parliament, Margaret Becket said that Prosicutions under this Act, need to be proven with established facts, not just snapshots. Now this should relate to all aspects, not just 1in perticular. At my sentencing the RSPCA solicitor Baches, stood up in court and said 'That the reason my horse had been neglected, was because she had not have grass, to eat during the winter, and horses have to have grass, else they will die. Unfortunatly the man was making erronious statements, as there are at leased 10.000 horses in London, that do not see a blade of grass, living in converted multi story carparks. There are the Race horses who don't go out, when in training and then of course the horses. who live on the Equator, where grass does not grow.
It was also read out at my appeal that '' Evidence we have here, is one horse in a group of 5, has not been starved, if the others are it proper condition. Their vet said this was not true, but this was a document by Tonge and Green, put together for the Vet training school with the help of the RSPCA !! She went on to say that the Black's Vet Dictionary was also wrong. That is one of my reasons for a Case Stated, not to mention, she could not tell, she was in foal, so they gave her 'Starved Horse' Rations of 10ld of hay per day .no hard food or vits/mins making her even weaker, then she was then left to foal on her own, at full term, 27days later. Sunshine was 15.00h, the foal was the correct weight. They witheld the Photos of her with the foal shortly after birth, until the Second day of the Appeal. It is now 51 weeks since I applied for a case stated, I had one copy but sent it back to the Judge because of his mistakes.
e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
Did anyone see the police training the other day, where they were training the horses, to run at crowds. The Police officers on the ground, were throughing what looked like 1/2 bricks at the horsesand riders. Totally unnessasary. If I could remember you could see it on I player. Anyway a lighter note have you watched SIMON'S CAT on you tube there are 7 short films and last week it had already had 2.5 million hit.
Victoria Thomas· 171 weeks ago
This is for Vigilante, as well as others. Your case clearly illustrates how the RSPCA set themselves up as Vets, Behaviourists, Experts on ALL species, as if they have undergone many years of training, instead of a few months.
They actually contradict the experts, and the judges--for their shame--believe them. It appears that the RSPCA can make the most outlandish, ridiculous statements, and it is accepted as some sort of knowledgable truth. I think it's time we wrote to the Justice Ministry and put the judges straight about the rspca. We have already written to every Chief Constable, in the hope that common sense will prevail. The more we get the message out there, that the rspca are NOT police, vets et al, the more chance we have of beating them.
The secrecy that abounds in this country is the reason for its downfall and the spiralling into dictatorship.
We must tell the authorities that we will not accept this. The bigger they are, the harder they fall, and People Power CAN change things!
Jayne Shenstone· 171 weeks ago
This an email sent to Dr Richard Ryder who is a member of the RSPCA ruling council who
according to Wikepedia:
‘is a British psychologist who came to public attention in 1969 when, after having
worked in animal research laboratories, he began to speak out against animal
testing, and became one of the pioneers of the modern animal liberation movement’
http://www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/richard-ryd...
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
I have just written to the rspca`s John Rolls asking as to why they used a captive bolt gun on those 10 german shepherd dogs and was a method of pithing used. It has also been cc`d to numerous media sources with a list of animal species considered acceptable by the OiE for the actual use of captive bolt guns and their like. It does not mentine anywhere that dogs are an acceptable species.
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e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
Thank you Victoria, I am at the moment doing a paper, on the the legality of the Animal Welfare Act, having collected every word spoken in Parliament and the Lords during its passage. Ben Bradsham made a solem promise that it would not be the RSPCA, giving out the notices, and carrying out the inspections, he promised that funds would be made available, to train the new 'Inspectors' this was also mentioned at length in the Lords. It may please you to know that the Federation of Chief Constables, say in their opinion the RSPCA, should not be in the forefront, of this new Act, and that they did not want to be either. They proposed that new specially trained, inspectors were the best option. This was taken on and the trained 'Inspectors' were talked about for the 3 to 4 years during its passage.
The promise of Government Funds to supply these inspectors was promised, but in it final week before gowing in the Queens Speech, Lord Lucas ( Leader of the Lords Labour)slipped into his debate ''It will stay as the same it was before''. So everything passed was done so under a false premise. I feel they have had plenty of practice with the comments on TV every night in the Iraq inquest.
I have started it, but I am involved in so many campains. This might also be considered.
Three weeks before my Appeal, my home burned down, and it seems as a matter of convienience, two others suffered the same fate a couple of weeks before their Appeals. My beloved Goldie, Flora was in my Caravan at the time, and managed to get out with her coat scorched. A few month later she developed breathing dificulties, as she was 16 yrs, I had not put the two things together, last night she lost her fight in her ability to breath correctly. She had been to the vet, who told me, that her heart was fine,.earlier this year. She had a repeat persription this week, to no avail. The top door is always left ajar for the cats, as a cat flap. I had to buy a newish Caravan and replase everything. Now I do not have to worry to her welfare if the same thing happened again. I now can increase my input., into this campain.
You have read about the Press Releases, and how they change peoples lives, the Specially worded item, was in the local paper, all incorrect. A woman came up to me a spate in my face the following day in town.
As I lost everything my book is gowing to be a name and shame of every Government Agency I have come up against in the last 9 years predominately the Courts and the Police.
My email is [email protected]
Reply
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e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
I should have said matter of coincidence, have not been to bed. As to my book thank god for Spell Check
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
The rspca are very good at blowing their own trumpet but lets hope that both the BNP and now Gordon Brown are backing a losing horse, by the way no mention of the 10 GSD`s ?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.r...
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
We have a golden opportunity to help disolve, oops sorry I mean resolve the problems in the rspca. They are advertising for Council Members and anyone can apply via the email below....
[email protected]
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
This I received straight from the horses mouth so to speak.
"But in London it is useless talking to the RSPCA about birds. They operate mainly from The Harmsworth Hospital - the one always on the TV animal programmes.
Yesterday I got a call from a woman called ****** who works there. She had an exotic Fancy Pigeon that had been rescued a few days ago. I have helped her before with Fancy Pigeons and so she called me again and I collected the bird from her and am now trying to find a new home for it. While I was at the Harmsworth we had a long talk and she was again explaining that the situation with birds is even more critical there.
Before, they would accept bird casualties from the public and then euthenase them quickly behind the counter. Now - they no longer even accept bird casualties. They turn people away and tell them all to put birds back where they found them and leave nature to take its own course.
****** said that they have too much work looking after dogs and cats, to be able to care about birds.
Victoria Thomas· 171 weeks ago
Hi Safewings, just read the link on the Cumbria rescues, my God they like you to know how hard they've worked!!!
You never hear the RAF, Coastguard, RNLI, Police, Fire Brigade or Mountain Rescue going on lie that, and to bring Bill Barker's name into it in that context was pretty low!!
Jayne Shenstone· 171 weeks ago
THE ENFORCERS - published in 1997
Nothing much has changed!!
'Ex-RSPCA inspector David Barnes says: "When you've put down a lot of animals, you become immune to any emotional feeling about it, and you do it almost without blinking" Barnes left the RSPCA to set up another animal charity.
The RSPCA has been known for recruiting large numbers of its inspectorate – the 320 paid inspectors whose job it is to bring prosecutions against perpetrators of animal cruelty -- from the armed services and police forces The RSPCA calls itself a law enforcement agency. All the inspectors are, in the words of the director general Peter Davies, himself ex-army, "subject to my discipline". A large chunk of the inspectors' 26-week training is devoted to learning how to destroy animals humanely, and an inspector may he required to put down as many as 60 animals, including healthy ones, to prove that he or she has the guts for the job. All inspectors carry firearms.'
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blo...
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
How sickening the rspca can criticise anything yet when the tide is turned they are shielded by the press
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.d...
Do the rspca see their GSD murder as a prank ?
Jayne Shenstone· 171 weeks ago
Sorry, this clip is awful but the public and their supporters need to know how the 10 GSD's really died. It wasn't the captive bolt gun that killed them. They were pithed!!!
'A decision was made following a discussion between eight RSPCA officers that the most humane form of euthanasia would be to use a captive bolt. This would minimise distress to the dogs, while also being the safest method for those people responsible for dealing with the animals. Restraining the dogs and then shaving a limb to prepare for a lethal injection would have caused these animals unnecessary suffering, due to the animals suffering from a severe skin condition.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4
Keith Protheroe· 171 weeks ago
I have watched that video clip, much against my own good judgement, but watching it is required in order to understand what the RSPCA have done to these 10 GSDs and countless other animals.
It made me sick, so much so that I had to turn it off after about 30 seconds.
This only goes to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that any animal that is disposed of in this method is not going to die a easy death.....far from it, they are more likely to suffer great pain and agony.
The RSPCA call themselves "humane".................I would call them MONSTERS and this practice should be outlawed now. The 10 GSDs that they murdered in the Swansea Valley will probably have suffered in the same way.
Now, if you are a RSPCA supporter who have been arguing their side................come on here and tell me that this method is acceptable !
http://www.animal;s-have-rights.co.uk
safewings· 171 weeks ago
I have worked with animals for nearly 50 years and have witnessed some disturbing events but to watch the youtube slot on livestock slaughter and picturing the GSD`s suffering even more has made me feel that the rspca are despicable torturers and animal welfare has lept back to the dark ages. To think that these scum will be setting out animal welfares` future does not bear thinking about.
I will be seriously considering as to whether we will continue working with animals in 2010 considering the rspca gestapo are already plotting to see their guidelines pushed into animal rescue.
Victoria Thomas· 171 weeks ago
Hang on in there Safewings, if you give in, they win.
We MUST get the papers onto this asap and stop them in their tracks. The Telegraph seems to be the only paper not under their spell, so I suggest we all write to them, now. Everyone who has contributed to this blog.
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e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
I have already sent the blog to the Telegraph, last week. I can give you a couple of names, you might try-----as they have had a go at them in the papers and on TV
1.Richard Littlejohn The Mail He gave them a verbal tyrade over Dr GIll
2. John Stapleton ITV Breakfast TV Really had a go at them over their figures
3. ?? Opek Lib Dem MP Has had a go in the media
4. Ian HIslop The ??? Did a two week expose' on them.
I will give you some more names, from the Lords and The Commons in a day or so
I have promised to telephone some people but I have l lost my voice and I am still shell shocked about my dog
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e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
Perhaps it might be an idea to have a go at the Mp's who let them railroad the Welfare Bill through Parliment Ben Bradshaw , I do not know if you have noticed the the Vice Presidents claimed almost £100.000 in expences in 2008 or 2007, This includes Anne Widecome, Ian Cawsey they are all on the list. Send to these Anne is a great cat lover. What about the association of Chief Constables, they did not want the RSPCA involed with the Act. It is time we went out of the Box. Try the Dog Trust, I have an email from them that they have many friends in the RSPCA, see how they like the truth in front of them and the Cats Protection.and this name of the Game is Come in the Come in the Back Door, while no one is looking. As I said I will come back with other names.
Ps read the replies between Safewing and myself 4 days ago
Victoria Thomas· 170 weeks ago
Eliott Morley and Norman Baker are also Vice Presidents of the rspca, as is Sir Patrick Moore. I have written to them all. Not one has had the decency to reply. A group of us also wrote to every Chief Constable in England and Wales, with six acknowledgements so far. Of the Press, only the Telegraph seems to have the will to publish anything, so several of us are writing to them with lots of facts, figures and links and the plea that they investigate thoroughly and publish. The Editor, Daily Telegraph, 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London SW1W ODT.
South Wales Police still investigating the incident of the Shepherds in Pontardawe.
e_vigilante· 170 weeks ago
Thank you Vicky I feel sending all the ones I mentioned Jane's Video, It upsets more if they have nothing to come back to. As I said the Dog Trust should recieve it, and in the Code of the Horse list about 12 bodies that signed up together, including Princess Anne.The way I read that code, is that they are all responsable for each others action, in a round about sort of way. Send the video to Elliott morley and Norman Baker , but Ian Cawsey was the worse as The RSPCA paid his staffs wages. There are also reporters based in the Houses of Parliament. It is Lembik Opic Try Lord Lipsey the man in Charge of Greyhound Racing., Defras Inspectors, and Trading Standards in your local areas.Let them have the evidence under their noses, you know the saying divide and 'conker'
You have been sending your opinions which they can ignore and will, so send your video with everybodies name ie CC Anne Widecombe, etc so if only one person watches it and they are disgusted and she phones others on the list, they will be asked to look at it. They also will remember that they have been challenged to view it. As for the Telegraph they have been investigating the RSPCA for over 10 years. Send them something they can get there teeth into, pleading will not work, they need clear and accurate evidence. they cannot cover the Pontardawe evidence as it cannot be discussed while the Police are considering the case, else it can jepordize the case.As the Vice presidents what they claimed for in expences from the RSPCA, I should think it had to be`declared. If I can remember rightly there are approx 20 Vice Pres chech how many other claimed expences and go grom there. As I said give me a day or so and I will come back to you. Did anyone notice in the accounts expenture for VANS. With 325 inspectors there should be 325 vans, and how many million calls with 3 staff in the call centre.
Please give me a few days Rose
safewings· 170 weeks ago
Thanks for the info and the contacts there are a couple I havent` tried before. But as Victoria says the likes of Norman Baker Etc just do not even reply.
Sadly Ann Widdicombe even when presented with the facts still verhmently defends them. Elliot Morley did respond in writing only to tell me that Fireworks and airguns were NOT an Animal welfare Issue !!!! Obviously like his rspca counter parts he puts revenue before animal welfare and like the rspca gains financially ( taxes ) from animal cruelty.
Sad note though even the rspca in Australia are following the UK`s approach now to saying you must take on an animal for Christmas, but in this case pulling on the heart strings that if not we will kill them.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://city-...
safewings· 170 weeks ago
To Help here are a number of emails that the link can be sent to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
safewings· 170 weeks ago
I contacted the rspca to hopefully gain their support in trying to see wildlife rescues / sanctuaries improved without too much red tape and costs. They turned down my request as they said they have plans of their own ?
This fills me with dread as I have seen some of the rspca`s guidelines and why would they not even read my petition based on nearly 50 years work ?
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Pet-wildlife-sep...
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e_vigilante· 170 weeks ago
Safewing, write to ian cawsey under the freedom of infomation Act for a copy of his accounts. Then check that the expences and staff payments. He has disclosed, them but do they stand up when cross referenced. you have to contact John stapelton by letter, to the TV studio. Send them the video via email, and Lord Lipsey told the Lords the reason, the RSPCA did nothing about the guy who was putting down Greyhounds was because they were using him themselves. Frank Field says a lot but when you contact him he is to busy. Roger Gale MP has been on a TV programe, saying how bad they are, he also has dogs (labs), send them all the video. Try Vince Cable MP as i believe he has horses (I think), but he is very well respected.
As I have said ealier you have tried what you have got knowwhere you must go in a different direction, because writing to the RSPCA is futile. The Police feel naming and shaming is the way forward so follow suit, by the way I have not got Alzhiemer's just the Flu.
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e_vigilante· 170 weeks ago
When you send these letters ask questions, which they are obliged to answer. You are by law able to ask for his (Freedom of Information Act) accounts. Record the delivery. If he does not write, ask for a copy off the Telegraph, tell them you think you might have a story. Lets be honest, since the expose' he would be extreamly stupid to ingnore.
I have wrtten 100's of letters and I tell them what they have done wrong, they are so angry, to what you have said, they fill the page, with so much. They then say, I cannot see what complaint, I was trying to make, thus making you feel inadequate, but you have a page and a half, to scrutinise their own errors. It has been sent to you and under copyright law, can be published in any book or document. If you tell them to stop doing something, they think, who do you thing you are. Cannot say what they really want, so they don't bother. You would not believe the mistakes made, I have received
Let me give you an example, I wrote to Charities Comm and The Attorney General. Asking, for them to look at the Perjury and Perverting the Course of justice, in my RSPCA case. Both respones were quite lengthy, both stating its not in my remit' within this, were blatent mistakes, of fact of law statues, and ignorance of their remit.
They are worth a gold mine to me, for my book, as my blame lies with the Government. As my aim is not only to tell the populate, that they all are incompetant, but to prove it. Then ask the Question ''How many other People have lost their homes, businesses, or in fact took their own lives, due to these mistakes.
Every time in went into the Civil Court a mistake was made, with Circuit Judge quoting the wrong law at me and when I challenged him, for something he wanted to do, he snatched the form back and wrote in his own hand, why I had to do it , in doing so he misquoted a judical ruling. That why I keep saying, try a different approach. Anyway I must go I am off to the Publishers.
Victoria Thomas· 170 weeks ago
What I do now, as with my letter to the Telegraph etc, is headline the sections. For instance I put Funding in capitals, then write about that, then Animal Welfare, and enclose everything I know about that and so on. It makes it easier for them to find the relevant bit that interests them. If the Press aren't prepared to run a whole article, then perhaps they will take up one aspect of it. If we achieve that, the rest should follow, because once we actually get SOMETHING published, we can apply pressure for the rest. At least, that's the hope. I have written over seventy letters so far and had very few replies. The only response I received from anyone connected to the RSPCA was from Daphne Harris, the Chair of the Ruling Council, and THAT was a whitewash. She hasn't even acknowledged my follow up letter---too many questions she can't answer without dropping her Society right in the brown stuff.
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
http://www.bsava.com/Advice/PolicyStatements/Euth...
2. Policy Statement on Euthanasia of Dogs and Cats
The BSAVA believes that euthanasia, the act of producing painless death, is best performed by the injection of an overdose of a barbiturate solution, under the direction of a veterinary surgeon. When dealing with a frightened or vicious animal, a pre-medicant may be used before injecting the barbiturate. Other methods are not recommended except in emergency situations where mercy killing is necessary.
Approval: BSAVA Council as Policy Statement No. 11 (Euthanasia of dogs and cats) 1999.
Recent update: May 2006
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
Experts and other organisations say it's wrong to shoot dogs - but of course the RSPCA are unregulated, unaccountable, will not answer to anyone.
'Stray dogs, frequently suffering from hunger and illness, seek food and shelter in human communities. They are often seen as a nuisance and health hazard by the people who live alongside them.
With a lack of knowledge and resources, communities in developing countries frequently resort to randomly culling strays, by poisoning, electrocuting or shooting dogs.
These methods are inhumane, causing the animals great pain and suffering. They are also ineffective in the long term as they do not address the cause of the problem.'
http://www.wspa-international.org/wspaswork/dogs/...
Maybe the RSPCA will just have to be answerable to the donating public
safewings· 170 weeks ago
I have again tried to raise the issues with the BBC, yes our very own channel that we pay for. And just to endorse their total ignorant bias I have detailed just three prime examples As follows:
On three totally seperate occasions ( to which I still have copies ) The BBC contacted me in regard to animal welfare issues and please note in these three cases it was the BBC that initially contacted me.
The first occasion was if you recall to cover a story on Inside Out regarding the animal welfare bill, secondly I was contacted by telephone and by email by Country File to cover the work we do over a set period leaving a video camera to cover routines. The third time was again by Inside Out to cover the issue of Sanctuaries which is still being debated under secondary legislation.
On ALL three occasions the storylines were dropped when I mentioned my feelings regarding the rspca ( to which I have many many factual accounts ) and their attitude towards certain areas.
It is just very sad that the bias towards the rspca directly affects animal welfare.
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safewings· 170 weeks ago
THIS SAYS IT ALL: Pensioner fined and prosecuted for failing to adhere to the rspca`s " Duty of Care"
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.e...
Here the rspca escape any accountability for failing to adhere to their " Duty of Care"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjM9m0xVK3M&feature=player_embedded
I have written to the Ely Standard, but wont` hold my breath.
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
ATTORNEY GENERAL v ROYAL SOCIETY FOR THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO
ANIMALS (1985)
DC
CRIMINAL EVIDENCE - SENTENCING
CONTEMPT OF COURT - WITNESSES-INTERFERING WITH
RSPCA disciplining witness
Contempt application by Attorney General against society for bringing
disciplinary proceedings against one of its officers for giving
evidence for the defence in a private prosecution brought by the
society. HELD: There was no difference between punishing a man for
giving evidence & punishing him for the content of his evidence or the
manner in which he testified.Both were calculated to interfere with
the course of justice & to deter witnesses from coming forward &
telling the truth as they saw it. Fine of £10,000 imposed.
Times, June 22, 1985
Document No. AC1744296
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/631249/Im-A-...
Yet the News of the World ignore the rspca slaughter of ten German shepherds ?
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Safewings· 170 weeks ago
If enough people sent to the NOTW they might pick up on the fact that the rspca are not what they would have them believe.
[email protected]
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
DO THE rspca have no conscience ?
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in...
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
Based on what we have uncovered, I think that's a no!!
Victoria Thomas· 170 weeks ago
My letter to the NOTW will be posted tomorrow, along with one to the Press Complaints Commission and Richard Littlejohn
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
We must just keep going. They think we will give up - but we won't.
They can't just keep turning a blind eye to the atrocities being committed by this organisation
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
The longer this blog continues and the more information and factual criticism placed on here the more the public and the media will be made aware of the depths the rspca have sunken to.
I for one will not give up raising the issues regarding the rspca, although my working with animals ( knowing full well that the rspca will be instigating even more of their crap into secondary legislation ) may be compromised simply because I will not work under incorrect, life threatening guidelines forced on me by the rspca gestapo.
Some of the rspca`s guidelines forced upon sanctuaries is unbelievable and with printed comments ( directives ) from the rspca such as " ALL damaged birds are better off dead" then what chance do we have ?
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
The rspca are still begging for money
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.t...
My response:I cannot believe that the rspca are asking for even more money, considering their assetts of £444 m. And especially asking for money to care for animals after they murdered 10 german shephards with a captive boltgun followed up by pithing. Brenda Brady said " Many people believe the RSPCA put animals down, but we look after cats long-term". Yet the RSPCA figures for 2008 show that they destroyed 8313 dogs and 12,329 cats .
The rspca have lost the respect they once held.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
Comment before the wipe the viewpoint
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.t...
After both watching and reading about the ridiculous headline concerning certain low life celebs eating vermin I sincerely hope that The MEDIA and the like follow up on the malicious case of where our wonderful rspca gestapo murdered 10 GERMAN SHEPHERD DOGS with a CAPTIVE BOLTGUN followed by PITHING. The rspca made NO ATTEMPT to rehome these dogs and went totally against all guidelines regading animal welfare.
A prat kills and eats a rodent and gets front page headlines ? A once respect animal rights charity murders 10 Pet Dogs and their murderous crime is buried by the so called free press. There are not two laws in the UK, or are there ?.
Kate· 170 weeks ago
To be fair to the local branches, they do the bulk of the good work normally associated in the public's consciousness with the RSPCA. However, the local branches receive no financial assistance from HQ and must work hard to raise all their own funding. They also keep animals longer-term than the National Policy which allows for the keeping of an animal of unknown origin for only seven days . The general public needs to be aware that when they make monthly subscription/donations or leave legacies to the RSPCA, this money goes directly to HQ and not to their local branches.
Kate· 170 weeks ago
The public is also unaware that the RSPCA employs only 325 inpectors to cover the whole of England and Wales. In my own area, two inspectors are expected to cover approximately 60 miles which includes tracts of moorland as well as built-up areas, including some which are socio/economically deprived where cases of animal cruelty are high. This leaves those inspectors with an impossible workload. Consequently they have to prioritise - and cases which clearly breach the Animal Welfare Act are left to fester until such time as the inspectors can visit. I personally had to pester the RSPCA's National Call Centre for weeks before my concerns were addressed. Even then, the animals I was reporting were only visited after I had written to the CEO and threatened to go to the media. It took three months before a slight improvement was afforded to thos animals.
When I highlighted the shortage of inspectors on the RSPCA Facebook, I was banned and told that my 'truthful' and 'polite' comments were defamatory.
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Safewings· 170 weeks ago
MY RESPONSE FROM OIE RE CAPTIVE BOLT GUNS
Thank you for your email from the 28 November 2010 asking for imformation concerning the use of the captive bolt for the destruction of domestic dogs.
The OIE General Assembly of Delegates of the 175 Members of the OIE, adopted in 2007 a new standard on "Stray dog population control".
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
The OIE undertook the development of this standard because of the need to provide advice and support , particularly to developing countries, to deal with the threat to human health of serious zoonotic diseases, such as rabies, which kills thousands of people each year globally .
In the development of this standard, the OIE worked with a group of experts from all the OIE Regions, including representatives of the World Society for the Protection of Animals (WSPA), with which the OIE has a formal cooperation agreement.
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
The OIE standard for the control of stray dog populations emphasises the implementation of controls as appropriate to the national context and local circumstances . Several measures should be employed together, including euthanasia as appropriate. If euthanasia is used, it should be done humanely and in combination with other measures to achieve effective long term control of stray dog populations.
The standard include a list of methods of euthanasia for use with stray dogs without recommending any specific method over the others. The use of the captive bolt is foreshadowed and the animal welfare implications are listed, as well as important considerations relating to operator security.
The OIE standard on stray dog population control can be downloaded at the following link:
http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/mcode/en_chapitre_1...
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Safewings· 170 weeks ago
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.t...
Below is the type of rspca supporter that says it all.....
Comment taken from the above weblink
My understanding is that the dogs were in distress, had been abandoned and were aggressive.
I also understand that they were put down on the guidance of a vet.
Sometimes these things happen....the RSPCA does not live in a hairy-fairy-world and, at times, serious decisions have to be made.
Sometimes killing an animal is more humane than letting it suffer, or being a danger to people. Phred, With me 3 cats + dog
e_vigilante· 170 weeks ago
I have just watched the RSPCA rescue on BBC this morning. I would suggest you watch it on the Iplayer falcility.
It is the rescue of two abandoned Welsh Mountain ponies in the east of the country.and had been abondoned for '3 years'. I suggest you study the two ponies carefully as they load then to their condition.
At the ILPH centre, there is concern shown over the stallions weight ???, by this time he had dropped weight and the shine had gone off his coat.
The mare was given various tests and X Rays for Laminitus the Xrays should her pedal bones had not rotated, and the first trimming had put them back into a much better position.
The outside of the stable doors showed signs of previous distressed horses , and this should have been the quarentine block, dirty wall and preused bedding.
The final scene was of the infamous Ted Barns stood by the turn out pappock and the stallion, looking in a sad neglected state with a sikn allergy round his eyes, his main cut off with a pair of sissors, and looking very thin for a Welsh Mountain, his coat was dull and his hip bones sticking out. It was explained this was 12 months later and that the mare had been put down.
I wonder if someone could offer to take it off the iplayer so that it could be viewed easily. I am not that much of a wizz kid with this kind of thing. and put it up on here Thank you
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
Jumping on the Olympic Bandwagon now. This was juts mailed by a friend:
'Will this be a "Cage Free" Olympics? If the Olympics want "free range food", then why are they using "Freedom Food", which (despite its misleading name) is no guarantee of free-range? The RSPCA's big food campaign at the moment is on so-called "cage free eggs", which are essentially no better than battery hens. Another blood-stained gravy train begins, I fear for the RSPCA? Will RSPCA inspectors be "on duty" at the Olympics, at the public expense? Perhaps chekcing that none of the athletes from Ghana have trained while feeding on rat meat?'
http://www.politics.co.uk/opinion-formers/press-r...
Now check out Hillside Sanctuaries reports on Freedom Foods:
http://www.hillside.org.uk/documents/octnl2009_00...
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
The pressure needs to be kept up
Please click link and add comment regarding Stray Dogs and the rspca etc.....
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.n...
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
They have done all they can to hide the fact that they often kill dogs with captive bolts. The 10 GSD's was not an isolated case
'Hi, a reply finally to my question asked in august, they have the reply dated 13/11 but I only got notification of it today. 65 dogs killed by captive bolt .'
Thank you for your enquiry.
Please accept our apologies for the delay in response; this is due to an exceptionally high number of enquiries received over recent months and it is taking some time to reply to them all.
Not all the figures you have requested are available and we would normally require greater background and context so that we can understand the purposes for which the statistics will be used. However, we hope you find the following information helpful.
On average the Society rehomes over 60,000 animals every year. It has been necessary for our inspectorate to euthanase 576 dogs so far this year, 65 by captive bolt. The use of the captive bolt is the quickest and kindest approach under certain circumstances, but the Society recognises that it may be perceived as a controversial method of euthanasia for companion animals.
Sadly, the RSPCA is often seen as the charity of last resort and so that an animal's welfare is not compromised further, euthanasia is often the kindest option. No one working for the Society finds this aspect of their role at all easy. Until there is greater recognition of the issues surrounding indiscriminate breeding and irresponsible pet ownership it is likely to remain an aspect of our work.
We have new campaigns and education programmes planned for 2010 that will highlight and address these fundamental concerns.
Other animal welfare charities claim they do not put animals to sleep but say they are unable to assist owners in many more challenging circumstances. The RSPCA does not believe this is an acceptable response as further animal suffering is often the result.
Thank you again for contacting the Society, and we hope the above information has been of interest.
Kind regards
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Victoria Thomas· 170 weeks ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6475301/Po...
Read the bottom line of this article.
Safewings· 169 weeks ago
To quote the gestapo "The use of the captive bolt is the quickest and kindest approach under certain circumstances"
Perhaps the quickest for inhumane rspca employees but can anyone tell of any Veterinarians that have used a captive bolt gun and pithing to kindly put someones` pet dog to sleep ?.
But it must be us that are at fault ? For every media outlet and MP etc etc I have sent the links pertaining to the rspca`s use of captive bolt guns not one has even aknowleged receipt of my emails.
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Safewings· 169 weeks ago
I read recently that Ann Widecombe was almost brought to tears whilst watching some pantomime with a toy donkey in the story yet she fails to respond to the factual links sent to her about her beloved rspca. And the media and MP`s are all basically the same " hypocrits " that are quick to blow up the rspca`s hype yet hide anything negative. They have all been brainwashed that without the rspca animal welfare would collapse so they protect them.
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Safewings· 169 weeks ago
To try to tackle the problem regarding stray dogs, anyone who owns a dog or is thinking about owning one is invited to the council shop in High Street, Kettering, on December 16, from 9.30am, where they will be given advice about breeds, techniques and what it takes to be a good owner. Kettering Council environmental wardens, along with colleagues from the RSPCA , will be on hand to answer any questions. Hopefully some can attend or contact the Kettering Evening Telegraph to ask the rspca relevant questions about their excessive use of captive bolt guns and advice on pithing..
Richard· 169 weeks ago
To see just how fully complicit the BBC is in maintaining the RSPCA’s benign and kindly image, one only had to watch yesterday morning’s, i.e. Thursday, 10th December’s episode of ‘Animal 24/7’ on BBC 1. Even though the letters RSPCA didn't appear in its title, the programme exclusively featured reports of its Inspectors' compassionate work in helping owners rehabilitating their elderly or infirm pets by taking them to vets, giving advice and then returning them in better health, etc. The very favourable light in which the Inspectors were portrayed was obviously designed to warm the cockles of the viewers’ hearts at Christmas time - except that it was a travesty of the real truth for so many hapless and victimised pet-owners who’ve had their animals ruthlessly seized and executed and also then been prosecuted for no good reason. Clearly, the truth is simply not on the BBC’s agenda. Do they have RSPCA sympathisers or paid acolytes on their board? It’s a disgrace for our only public TV broadcaster to act in this way!
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Victoria Thomas· 169 weeks ago
It has just been pointed out to me that in yesterdays (Thursday) episode of Animals 24/7, Number 9, Cats in a derelict house, that the cat rescued from the house and the cat they claimed to have made a full recovery were two different cats! The first one had a white blaze on its face and white legs. The second had a black face and only had white on it's front feet, not it's legs. Check iplayer and see for yourselves. If someone has a way of saving it, we need to contact the BBC and RSPCA and accuse them of fraud and misrepresentation. The only reason to have done it was to gain more money from sympathetic viewers.
Safewings· 169 weeks ago
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.h...
Typical rspca
Safewings· 169 weeks ago
Dear Kettering Borough Council,
I understand from reading the Evening Telegraph that the Borough Council is holding a surgery on December 16th regarding responsible dog ownership and addressing the serious issue of stray dogs.
I further understand that the rspca will be present to answer questions and give their advice in regard to dog ownership.
This I can assume will give the ideal opportunity to raise certain serious issues in public with the rspca pertaining to their use of captive boltguns and pithing to kill not only 10 German Shepherd dogs but the 65 pet dogs they have admitted to killing with their captive boltguns.
The cold facts are that the RSPCA figures for 2008 show that they destroyed 8313 dogs and 12,329 cats .
This is what could happen to your pet... and thankfully the Conservative blog is covering peoples` genuine concerns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4
Please contact Kettering Council:
[email protected]
Safewings· 169 weeks ago
The rspca are going against ALL their previous policies regarding never rehoming pets over the Christmas period.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.t...
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Safewings· 169 weeks ago
I raised the issue of the rspca murdering dogs by using captive bolts and Pithing with Kettering Council. They responded as follows but not a mention of the link I posted to them or the actions of the rspca ?
"Dogs that are not returned to their owners are signed over by the Council following seven days from the date of seizure to a rehoming facility. I can state that our kennels see euthanasia as an absolute last resort, however, have to be mindful of the cost of continuing to kennel and care for abandoned pets and the likelihood of rehoming being successful".
Jayne Shenstone· 169 weeks ago
RSPCA and WSPA dare to put their name to something saying Cesar is cruel - yet they can shoot 65 dogs this year alone with a captive bolt.
http://www.dogwelfarecampaign.org/
Get writing:
[email protected] or
[email protected]
Safewings· 168 weeks ago
The RSPCA are hypocrits in daring to put their name to something saying Cesar Millan ( Dog wisperer ) is cruel. How can the most recognised animal rights charity in the UK administer the callous and cruel method of using captive bolt guns followed up by a sick method known as pithing to despatch 65 pet dogs already in 2009.
They have placed themselves above the Law and implement any means they feel in both dispensing unwanted animals and enforcing their draconian self adopted laws onto the animal loving Nation.
The cold facts are that the RSPCA figures for 2008 show that they destroyed 8313 dogs and 12,329 cats .This cannot be justified as their finacial status could see more facilities constructed to hold the increasing numbers of abandoned Pets.
The Animal Welfare Act constructed basically from an rspca wish list including a so called " Duty of Care" has failed abysmally but like with the ignorance of a Governing political party they continue unchallenged and above reproach.
People in glasshouses should not throw stones and the rspca in their expensive glass palace are the typical example.
Jayne Shenstone· 168 weeks ago
Interestingly, the ignorant PR company haven't replied to our emails!
Jayne Shenstone· 168 weeks ago
RSPCA have been on Alan Titchmarsh show asking for help with donations / food as they want to help any many animals over the xmas period They said if you are concerned about any pets contact them.
Can we complain. If they are going to allow the RSPCA to beg for money, they should at least tell the public how it may be spent
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Andrew Meads· 168 weeks ago
my first email to Spun gold....
Dear Editor,
There are many charities working very hard and needing funds and donations to keep going but one that most certainly does not is the rspca.
Perhaps Alan Tichmarsh should have covered many of the true issues pertaining to the rspca before giving them air time to beg for even more money.
Sadly due to the media suppressing a great deal of what actually goes on under the so called name of animal rights sickening episodes such as the rspca killing ten German Shepherd dogs with a captive boltgun followed up by pithing simply gets brushed under the carpet and when we try to raise the issue it never makes the media. So it is very likely that the above issues will be peacefully raised with the rspca at the advisory Council meeting.
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Andrew Meads· 167 weeks ago
Just looked up Mark Evans Vet TV presenters website to ask his opinion, now he fronts for the rspca about the use of captive bolt guns.
As follows and no suprise:Mark is unable to respond to animal welfare / RSPCA related matters through this website.
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Jayne Shenstone· 166 weeks ago
The latest gem from the RSPCA:
Thank you for your enquiry.
One of the hardest things anyone has to do at the RSPCA is to put an animal to sleep. However, we all recognise that this is often the kindest thing to do, and that it is a sad but necessary part of our work.
Because of this, some 230 RSPCA inspectors in England and Wales are licensed by the Home Office and the police to carry firearms. This is so that they are able, if needed, to quickly and humanely dispatch animals (mainly wild animals and farm livestock) that are suffering.
An all-too-common example is when a wild animal, such as a deer, has been hit by a car or lorry. These animals are often left injured by the roadside and in severe pain, but with no hope of recovery or rehabilitation, and euthanasia is the only option left. Because the first choice in most cases is the use of a lethal injection, firearms are used very rarely and only where it is safe and necessary.
To put this into context, when our staff sadly have to put an animal to sleep, a firearm is used in less than one per cent of all cases. And in the overwhelming majority of these incidents, they do so to end the suffering of injured or diseased wild animals. The RSPCA is by no means alone - members of the police, some vets, knackermen and people who enjoy shooting for sport are among others who also have firearms licences.
We have a number of strict policies and procedures to make sure that animal welfare and safety is always paramount, and we have an exemplary record over many years. These policies and procedures are reviewed regularly by the RSPCA, and by ACPO (the Association of Chief Police Officers). ACPO most recently approved our processes in November 2009, reporting that they were "very impressed" by our "professional approach".
On occasion there are times when using a firearm is not practical, safe, or the best option for the animal. This means where necessary our staff use a process involving a 'captive bolt gun', which does not require a licence. This procedure is approved for use by RSPCA officers if using a lethal injection is impractical or inappropriate - for example, where an animal is too aggressive or when there is a relevant medical condition.
The RSPCA's experience in this field, which is based on compelling evidence, allows us to state that this method is completely humane when used by trained officers. Again, this method of euthanasia is used in the vast majority of occasions to quickly end the suffering of injured wild animals. We are very aware that putting animals to sleep does upset many people. In the current economic climate, we are facing a rising tide of animal neglect and abandonment, and this often puts our staff and others in danger, and leaves the RSPCA to make hard choices when few others will.
No-one working for the RSPCA finds this aspect of their role at all easy although when it is done, it's done because there is no other option. Euthanasia is always carried out with great reluctance but our highly trained officers, compassionate men and women, do so knowing it is the right thing to do.
In response to your final point, the euthanasia of ten German shepherd dogs in South Wales in June of this year is currently under investigation by the police and the RSPCA is co-operating fully with them. Because of this, it would inappropriate for the RSPCA to comment on any matters relating to this incident at this stage.
Thank you again for contacting the Society.
Kind regards
RSPCA HQ Advice Team
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Richard· 165 weeks ago
What the RSPCA just conveniently fails to mention is that many of the animals which it executes out of hand are very probably people's beloved pets, which they have persuaded the Courts to confiscate - using malicious lies and accusations. My puppies were taken at the age of 8 days, simply because I'd docked their tails. Along with their mother, they were then encarcerated for the best part of a year whilst 'due legal process' wended its way. Then they were duly taken from me by the Courts and handed to the RSPCA for 're-homing', i.e. meaning almost certain death for them. To try to re-home adult Dobermann dogs in these difficult times has to be very difficult indeed. They are not simply every dog-owner's cup of tea.
Such is the RSPCA's despicable mentality; where there is any doubt, execution is their preferred option for anyone's beloved pet.
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suzie· 165 weeks ago
Was upset to see that Boris wants to 'dispose' of 'status dogs' (when I was a child ladies with small poodles were carrying them as status in a certain profession) Does he not understand Deed not Breed? What will happen to those in rescue now if they have no hope of being adoptable? Will this spread? We had a man here who was threatening ladies with small dogs that he would let his rottie off and it would rip their dogs to shreds. The lady was concerned if she reported it, the dog b PTS Solicitor explained to us that it would be man in trouble - not dog - for using it as a weapon to intimidate and threaten. Surely when these 'status dogs' are being abused in such a manner, they should be siezed AND REHOMED, and owners charged with threatening with offensive weapon. It was already covered - why round up, persecute and kill? Thought blood on hands was a new labour thing. Shame on you Boris. I have a pair of rescues in at moment - under these rules their forever home will be a table at the vets and a needle in their arm because they are Mastiffs. They have come from horror, we have put in a lot of work. Glad I dont live in London - so sad.
suzie· 165 weeks ago
About time the police accepted that Law Enforcement is THEIR JOB - rather than using the avoidance method of policing with a thick layer of buck-passing. RSPCA are supposedly an animal protection charity - emphasis on the word charity. Nexct police will be handing all child abuse reports on to childline and NSPCC for prosecution, and Rape Cris is obviously the best place to refer phone in victims, as they can collate and prosecute. Stupid? Thats the reality. Understand a fireman wont come get your cat out of a tree - unless an inspector calls - not allowed to any more.
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yasinakgun58p· 164 weeks ago
Hi guys, this article should interest you. It's about soldiers in Iraq abusing animals, using dogs for target practice. Contains graphic videos so please do not watch if you're easily affected - http://theconservativeblog.co.uk/?p=1966
Victoria Thomas· 163 weeks ago
Have you all heard about the latest raid at Rosedene kennels by the police and rspca? Are the rspca a charity, in which case why are they closing other rescues? Or are they an Enforcement Agency, in which case they should be stripped of charitable status. They refused to let staff clean out, feed or water the dogs for twelve hours and the poor dogs were kept in the mess in their cages so that the rspca could photograph ''evidence''. Even though all 59 dogs were healthy and friendly, three were put down as ''aggressive'' --- (Excuse me but wouldn't you get angry and scared if fifty pairs of feet and helmets charged in?), and we've heard that a further 19 dogs have been put down.
They closed down the kennels and removed all the dogs. Staff were forbidden from entering the kennels until all dogs had gone. So all these dogs had been left in their own mess for 24 hours in total, as the raid began at 9am and ended at 9pm. I spoke to people at my local rescue yesterday and they had visited Rosedene many times and said the dogs were in good condition and were walked and played with every day. The place itself is a bit rundown due to lack of funding. Once again Britains richest charity would rather prosecute than help.
Muns· 162 weeks ago
The latest 'easy target' is Rosedene Rescue which was raided on 21st January 2010 The RSPCA put 3 healthy dogs down on site and took another 56 and will not give any answers about where the 56 dogs are now. Some of them had homes waiting and others were due to move to other rescues....but rumours are that the RSPCA have PTS a further 10 dogs. The RSPCA will not comment on this......The rescue has not been closed or 'charged' but more headlines and more donations? The RSPCA arrived with 50 officers and police in the morning as volunteers and staff were about to clean the kennels or in some cases had started but not replaced fresh bedding. The staff were not allowed to continue cleaning, walk them or give the dogs water all day long and then the RSPCA took photos of the kennels uncleaned - the dogs were stressed and staff were not allowed to comfort them or help load them into RSPCA vehicles. One of the 3 dogs slaughtered at the scene by the RSPCA had been at the kennels some considerable time and was healthy and well adjusted as were the other 2 which has been proved by many photos of staff walking them etc They just happened to be a Staffie and 2 Rottweilers who were probably, like the staff and other dogs alike petrified by all these starngers invading their space and 'their humans' giving off their scared body language and smells too no doubt. If The Tory party put taking these powers away from the RSPCA in their manifesto, they would get my vote....
PLEASE DO SOMETHING BEFORE ANY MORE ANIMALS DIE NEEDLESSLY!
Maria· 162 weeks ago
I really feel strongly that the RSPCA should be stripped of its power to prosecute, the vast majority of RSPCA prosecutions involve the mentally ill, the disabled and pensioners the oldest of whom was in his nineties. The recent raid on Rosedene Kennels in the West Midlands where kennel staff were prevented from carrying out their morning cleaning duties only to have RSPCA inspectors film the unclean kennels is a direct falsification of the evidence - I am sure this would never happen if all cases were refered to the CPS as has happened in Scotland. I would be interested to know if a Tory government would order a review with a view to removing the RSPCAs power to prosecute.
Victoria Thomas· 162 weeks ago
The Animal Justice Campaign is dedicated to getting the Law changed;
To ban the Captive Bolt Gun for use on cats and dogs. (The RSPCA are the only people who do this now).
To stop the RSPCA killing in ANY form, it should only be done by a qualified Vet.
To remove from the RSPCA the right to prosecute, and hand all cases to the CPS.
To put the RSPCA on a level playing field with all other animal charities, so that farces like Rosedene do not happen again. The idea that one charity can bully and threaten another is ridiculous and dangerous, because there is a conflict of interest. The RSPCA seems to think that the more Rescues it closes, the more funds will divert to them and the more power they will gain. THEY MUST BE STOPPED FROM ACHIEVING THEIR ULTIMATE AIM- to control ALL animal ownership in England and Wales.
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Jayne Shenstone· 160 weeks ago
The High Court Judge said: “This was a vexatious attack on the beneficiaries and the claim had absolutely no merit."
Laura Whateley
A High Court judge has criticised the RSPCA for demanding that the heirs of a wealthy donor pay the inheritance tax on his gift.
The friends and brother of George Mason, who left the RSPCA more than £480,000 in his will, were taken to court by the animal charity.
However, High Court judge Mr Justice Peter Smith dismissed the claim and ordered the RSPCA to pay the costs of the legal action on an indemnity basis - the highest level that can be awarded, which usually reflects the court’s displeasure.
Had the RSPCA won its case, legacies to George Mason’s friends Norman and Patricia Sharp, who are in their mid-seventies, would have been cut by more than £130,000, and brother John Mason, 85, would have received just £ 28,820.
This comes just a week after the RSPCA was ordered to pay the bulk of £1.3million legal costs after losing a lengthy court battle against Christine Gill, who was disinherited by her mother’s gift to the charity. Judge James Allen QC punished the charity for refusing to negotiate before the case came to court.
George Mason, who died in 2007 aged 75, left £234,000 and his house in Gosport, Hampshire, worth around £169,000, to Mr Sharp, a seaman he had known for 30 years, and his wife.
Mr Mason had also given them £234,000 from his assets and £66,000 to his brother.
The residue of his estate - £482,820 - went to the RSPCA. The charity claimed the £112,667 inheritance tax should come from the other beneficiaries under the terms of the will.
But Mr Justice Smith commented during the hearing that it was “clear” from reading the will that Mr Mason never intended that any tax liability should fall on his brother or friends and should be paid from the remainder of the estate after their legacy had been calculated.
Mr Justice Smith, who is to give his reasons for dismissing the claim in a written ruling in the future, said although the claim was not “frivolous” it was “extremely weak and should not have been brought”.
Keith Gordon, representing John Mason, told the judge after he dismissed the RSPCA’s claim that the charity should pay the legal costs itself rather than from the money it was gifted.
He said: “This was a vexatious attack on the beneficiaries and the claim had absolutely no merit.
“To award costs directly against the RSPCA would give a message to the charity sector generally to learn from this lesson.”
Even though the ruling had gone against the charity, it would still be receiving £370,000 after paying the inheritance tax bill.
Sarah Cooper, an associate at Hodge Jones & Allen LLP, said: “Generally it is presumed that gifts and legacies in a will are to take effect free of tax unless there is an indication to the contrary, meaning that the beneficiary of the residue is responsible for the inheritance tax.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/articl...
Adam· 158 weeks ago
What a truly ridiculous post.
The RSPCA is involved with improving animal welfare on a national, and an international scale, and that aim is inherently political in nature. Looking after 140 dogs is fine, but what about the 500 million or so farm animals languishing in UK factory farms every year? What about the organised criminal gangs forcing dogs to fight one another? What about the law that prevented any action from being taken to rescue a pet from neglect until it had actually suffered sufficiently (as was the case before the AWA, enacted after continuous lobbying from the RSPCA). Open your eyes: there is more to animal welfare than rescue dogs and pet shelters.
And by the way, a classroom is a terrible place for an animal, especially one which is naturally timid and fearful. That is why the RSPCA is concerned, because they care about the welfare of the animal, and not the satisfaction of the humans who want to use it.
Yes, they sometimes make a bad call with regard to prosecutions, as do the police and CPS. To drag up such examples as evidence of their being 'corrupt' is frankly disgusting. The RSPCA are champions of animal welfare in Britain and the world.
antirspca· 154 weeks ago
another little known bit of RSPCA abuse is that it uses money donated to it by people which is supposed to help animals, to support it's political agenda, NOT help animals. The most despicable example is the RSPCA donating funds to anti-hunting extremists who used those funds to POISON foxhounds, causing them an extremely agonising and painful death. Another anti-hunting extremist group used these funds to hire a miniature helicopter to terrify horses, and finally used it to murder a hunt supporter by deliberately swinging the rotors towards him while on the ground and slicing his head open. The hunt supporter was merely approaching them to ask them to keep the noisy machine away from the horses which it was scaring.
Clive Blackwood· 153 weeks ago
I was talking to a mate who is Senior Clerk at Crown Office Chambers and apparently Sally Case's old set next door - The Chambers of Robert Seabrooke QC - have apparently been paid nearly two million pounds by the charity this year alone!
Fantastic article. You will have their legal dept on your back for using the logo though. I have already been threatened with trademark infringement for using the acronym RSPCA!!
Check out these blogs:
http://rspcainjustice.blogspot.com/
http://rspcanotwhattheyseem.blogspot.com/
The public need to wake up to what this dreadful organisation has become.
Jayne
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Victoria Thomas· 173 weeks ago
The RSPCA are currently under investigation by South Wales Police after slaughtering ten German Shepherd dogs in Pontardawe in June, using a Captive Bolt Gun, an abattour weapon. It is not the first time they have used it, nor will it be the last. The dogs 'crime'? Their owner died!
This organization needs bringing down as soon as possible.
I commend the person who wrote this article, well researched and factual.
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Alex Smith· 173 weeks ago
Very well written, hope this blog stays here for quite a while. Nice to see the truth spoken.
Alex
Rev Peter Williams· 173 weeks ago
At last TRUTH well written and so very honest,The Charity commision,the Fraud Squad should investigate this organisation.
Judith Hancock· 173 weeks ago
I have heard so many worrying stories about this organisation over the years! A beloved pet dog picked up on the streets after escaping it's garden recently in Leicester was handed in to the RSPCA where it was put into a tiny dark damp garden shed and left there frightened and alone. The RSPCA had the nerve to charge the dog's elderly owner when he found it £100 for it's board and lodging for one night. No wonder they are the richest so called animal 'charity' preying on the weak and vulnerable!!!
Ian James· 173 weeks ago
Very well written and I applaud your courage, unfortunately the RSPCA, WSPA and Police all piss in the same pot. Through all the hard work of a particular person many are now becoming enlightened to the questionable practises of the RSPCA. I will say with regards to the South Wales Police investigating, they are only going through the motions; they will do what needs to be seen to be done and doubt if a prosecution will be brought against anyone, I do hope I’m wrong. Lets not forget that behind the scenes the RSPCA have Nigel Yeo – Ex Assistant Chief Constable, this is the man who sentenced a police dog to death for doing his job, Bruce a GSD was assisting his handler to break up a brawl and bit an offenders ear off. Nigel Yeo labelled Bruce as a "piece of equipment" which had failed and must be scrapped.
John warnes· 173 weeks ago
Totally agree. As somebody involved in the animal world (Chairman of a local dog club) - I have heard of, and am aware of many terrible things done by the RSPCA. I wouldn't donate a penny towards them. They are the most over-rated charity I have ever come across, and they do not always work in the best interests of animals.
Edith Ritchie· 173 weeks ago
Well said! Hope this article goes far.
The founding members must be turning in their graves, with anger and shame.
Ellen Ash· 173 weeks ago
Just substitute a few Australian incidents and places and this would be a perfect description of how the RSPCA operates in Australia.
Fenris· 173 weeks ago
Although the RSPCA have no powers, the result of an RSPCA investigation and prosecution can be devastating even if the result is a Not Guilty verdict.
Anyone receiving a visit from the RSPCA should not give the RSPCA any information, not let them in to see their animals, should certainly NOT sign anything or allow the RSPCA to take their animal to a vet.
The SHG runs a help line and can be contacted on 0844 700 66 90..
Further information can be seen on:
RSPCA-Animadversion
http://cheetah.webtribe.net/~animadversion/
SHG
http://the-shg.org
RSPCA Injustice Blog
http://www.rspcainjustice.blogspot.com/
Jade· 173 weeks ago
Brilliant article, it is about time the RSPCA were disbanded. There are people out there who REALLY care about animals and would look after all the wildlife, dog, cats etc.... And they wouldn't have millions in the bank and then say they can't afford to look after animals!
Sue Protheroe· 173 weeks ago
This is brilliant, lets hope this blog runs and runs, take a look at this too and please sign :-
http://www.petitiononline.com/bruno09/petition.ht...
then read this :-
www.animals-have-rights.co.uk
David Marshwell· 173 weeks ago
Goodness me, this article is well-researched, but there's a lot more to be said. The RSPCA's disgusting PR-people (led by that liar Henry Macaulay), and the BBC journalists (led by Macaulay's "partner" John Young) will be all over you like one of their armed police raids. Never forget Tony Sims's family and never let them give up hope - "Jenny" is coming home soon. Charles Hendry, our local MP and Vice-Chairman of the Party, has been so good!
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Angela Mandeville· 173 weeks ago
Sally Case and her fat-cat lawyers in the RSPCA's Prosecutions Department, and their so-called "colleagues" in that sickening chambers in Brighton, must be very scared indeed about what a Conservative Government is going to do. Everything this horrible organisation has done - every pensioner they've tried to hound into an early grave (Ken Bolton, 93 years young - still alive!), every disabled person's pet they've seized and killed (Jean Stack's dog Whiskey RIP), every child they've hounded through the courts (RSPCA v C - Nick Tucker we love you), every sacred cow their Illegal Operations Unit (led by Tim Wass) killed - will be laid bare and accounted for. Conservatives are coming!
Jayne Shenstone· 173 weeks ago
The public also need to know that this so called animal welfare charity is killing companion animals with captive bolt guns despite the fact that the WSPA states:
'The penetrative captive bolt pistol must be placed in contact with the animal’s skull and precise positioning is essential so that the bolt penetrates the correct area of the brain first time. Animals must be adequately restrained so that the head remains steady (Carding, 1977; Dennis et al., 1988; Beaver et al., 2001), which makes this method particularly difficult with fearful and aggressive dogs and cats (Carding, 1977). Furthermore, the conformational differences between the skulls of individuals and breeds of dogs increase the risk of a mis-stun. The principle skull types are dolichocephalic (long, narrow head), brachycephalic (short, wide heads) and mesaticephalic (medium proportions).
As there is a high risk of mis-stunning through inadequate use of the penetrating captive bolt, and hence causing pain and distress, WSPA considers this an unacceptable method for the euthanasia of dogs and cats.'
Remember that a captive bolt stuns, it doesn't kill - the heart continues to beat. In a slaughter house death occurs by bleeding out or pithing!! The RSPCA refuse to answer how the dogs finally died but pithing is usually done by means of a metal rod inserted in the hole left by the captive bolt - a metal rod such as a screwdriver.
The public will no doubt be pleased to know that their money donated to help animals is being used in this barbaric way!!
Alicia Key· 173 weeks ago
Our local vet was involved in an RSPCA prosecution a couple of years ago. He gave evidence for some farming client of his. The farmer was acquitted (on appeal), but the vet got the full animal rights treatment and was also reported to the RCVS. He had a breakdown and swears today that he'll never go through it again. What happens to his next farming client who faces false RSPCA allegations? Apparently he's lost clients because he's told them he can't go to court for them.
S A D· 173 weeks ago
At last someone else is putting the truth out there, I here about this stuff all the time but alot of your avarage everyday Jo Bloggs don't believe what you tell them, get this out in the media FRONT PAGE and on the main NEWS, for everybodys sake do something about these hitlerites.
Safewings· 173 weeks ago
It has been a long time coming but finally the MP`s Media and public are seeing the rspca for what it has become. And time the media stopped removal of justified comments regarding the rspca from websites.__They are no better than the Brown Shirts of the 1930`s and political power has become an obsession to them.__the usual suspects as they have been so aptly named have no respect for animals and cruelty only sees them incurring more public donations ( crime does pay ) Their latest attack is no wildlife rehabilitation and as certain publications show, they in their own words consider " Wildlife rehabilitation unviable" and they are now using their own agenda to apparently see wildlife destroyed sooner than having it cost them money.__The murder of the 10 GSD`s and the preventable death of the wild Golden Eagle, both recent events, highlight the facts thast the rspca do not have the dedication nor profficiency to deal with animals and should have removed all powers along with the removal of the Royal Patronage.__They should still be seen only as a pet charity that raises funds solely for those committed and experienced in animal husbandry and welfare.__There is no room now for the rspca in the 21st century.
Simon Glass· 173 weeks ago
One angle that has perhaps not been considered is the parallel between what the fascists were doing in the 1930s and what the RSPCA are doing now. The Nazis first administrative act was to outlaw the boiling of lobsters - they outlawed hunting and the keeping of pets. The RSPCA allow themselves to be supported by the BNP - just look at what BNP Councillor Mark Logan and the BNP's "Community Action Team" have done for the RSPCA's powerbase in Havering. Look what they tried to do to Paul Shotton in Stoke, in order to get the BNP elected in Fenton. These are really scary people and they need to be stopped - remember Ossie Glover, the first (and last?) black RSPCA Inspector.
Keith Protheroe· 173 weeks ago
This organisation lost sight of what it was originally set up for years ago. It has now become driven by how much money it can make using the public's donations to make investments and have lost heavy amounts of the public's money due to some of these. They are no longer interested in the welfare of animals, not unless there is a TV crew around where they can grab the limelight and use this to sucker the public into donating more of their hard earned cash. They also plough money into vivisection. That's something they do not want the public to know either see here (http://www.animals-have-rights.co.uk/page_1253655... ).
As stated by the above poster, its about time the Media front paged this organisation but unfortunately I doubt that the Media has the bottle to do this as they seem too frighten to take them on and therefore the RSPCA will get away with whatever they want knowing that they can without any real challenge. They put down perfectly healthy stray dogs to train their Inspectors in using the captive bolt guns.
We will always continue to expose this corrupt organisation but until people get off their backsides and actually start DOING something about them then they will continue to run rough shod over everyone.
You can read more of the RSPCA at www.animals_have_rights.co.uk
Elcin Kurtulus· 173 weeks ago
thank you for all your supportive comments so far. Please spread this article as far as you can and thanks for reading! :)
Keith Protheroe· 173 weeks ago
A question I wanted to ask and forgot was this: If we voted the Conservative Party in at the next general election, will they actually DO something about the RSPCA ?
I have always voted Labour but if I knew the Conservatives would actually do something to stop this organisation then I would happily vote for them and that goes for my whole Family and Friends.
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yasinakgun58p· 173 weeks ago
Hi Keith, I've posed the question to a Conservative Party MP and MEP. I'll post the reply when I receive it. I don't think there's much the Conservatives can do as the RSPCA is non-government or tax funded.
What would you propose be done, if you could decide?
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Keith Protheroe· 173 weeks ago
If it was impossible to disband them then I would like to see the whole organisation policies revamped. Get rid of the rot at the top. Get rid of those at the top like Tim Wass etc'. Make them more accountable for what they can and cannot do and set up a independent "Watchdog" to make sure that they tow the line and do exactly what they were set up to do originally.
Also get rif of the intimidating uniforms so that they cannot frighten little old ladies by trying to look like Police Officers.
The list is endless really.
I think that they are now so corrupt that it has probably gone beyond the point of no return regardless of how much restructuring is made that the only way now is to disband them once and for all. At the end of the day they do very little in terms of animal rescue. There are other better organisations such as Dog Trust & Blue Cross who could help take on the responsibility as the donations would then be more likely be given to them and smaller rescues could also be highlighted and attract more public donations to help them do the good (and better) job that they do in rescuing and re-homing animals.
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Safewings· 173 weeks ago
There needs to be a full public enquirey into the rspca and a full disclosure regarding to their alleged criminal record.
There is no real need for the rspca as most of the real work in animal welfare and especially rescue is done by the experienced independant groups that actually have no political aims other than helping animals.
This Government attempt to put all costs and accountability into the private sector. The rspca have been handed control of animal welfare on a silver plate it costs Browns` Government nothing and puts the usual suspects above reproach and above the law. The times they have acted incorrectly is too numerous to mention but they can it appears get away with anything. If you write to the Heads of rspca they simply ignore your correspondence, there is no formal independant complaints proceedure regarding the rspca so they continue just as they like.
But every petition, article, misconduct relating to the negative actions of the rspca is soon buried or simply ignored.
No one should be above the law.
David Levine· 173 weeks ago
I have to say, perhaps controversially, that I think that there are a still lot of good people who work for the RSPCA. My cousin Caroline was one of them. She used to manage the local RSPCA Centre - she loves animals, but hates the money-hungry bosses who run the RSPCA's grim business. She now runs a small rescue, which is not RSPCA-branded. The whole business of "animal rescue" is being "Tescoised" by the RSPCA - with a sick added twist. Small rescues are often raided and the competition directly eliminated in that way. Tesco would not be able to get away with that. The RSPCA won't work with small rescues. The police send all the best pets to the RSPCA for "rescue". The RSPCA seems to be killing almost every animal they get their hands on, too!
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Sarah Martin· 173 weeks ago
I must say that, whilst I agree with a lot of what is said in the two pages of comments above, a lot of the problems with the RSPCA would fall away if they lost the power to prosecute. The police, rightly, lost the power to "investigate and prosecute" many years ago. The majority of forces had voluntarily abandoned this and developed their own independent prosecutions units back in the 1960s. The idea of fair and independent prosecutors "hot desking" with people whose evidence they may have to challenge to fulfill their role is a comical one - but it is a comedy that is acted out in Horsham every day. If it wasn't such an expensive farce it would be funny. The RSPCA spends £11,000,000 on its prosecutions every year. Just imagine what the CPS could do with that kind of money - they don't pay their lawyers £400 an hour, or give them interest-free housing loans, private healthcare and an index-linked final salary scheme. They also don't persecute the old, the disabled, the penniless and the young.
Jayne Shenstone· 173 weeks ago
AWA:
'The Act (like most law) is a ‘common informers’ act’, and this means that anyone is allowed to bring a prosecution for an offence. Whilst it is envisaged that the RSPCA will continue to investigate offences and bring prosecutions, particularly in relation to companion and domestic animals, RSPCA inspectors will not have formal enforcement powers under the Act. So, for example, where access to premises without the owner’s consent is sought, the RSPCA will have to be accompanied by a local authority or Animal Health inspector or police officer, as was the case in previous law.
Inspectors can be appointed by local authorities on a full-time, part-time or temporary basis. They can exercise the enforcement powers as detailed in the Act (powers of entry and seizure, for example), but the local authority remains responsible for their actions.'
If the Animal Health Inspectors and Police were doing their jobs properly and the CPS prosecuting - there is no need for an RSPCA.
Incidentally, much of the cost of RSPCA prosecutions comes out of the public purse.
Safewings· 173 weeks ago
How can the rspca consider itself animal welfare orientated when it cannot even help to support its` own small centres from closing
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.h...
It is grotesque that that benefit hugely from animal cruelty with public donations yet want their cake and eat it by pleading in the local papers that unless the public come up with some exorbitant fee such as £150,000 the little rspca rescue in the town will close.
I think most people once respected the rspca but now talking to many involved in actual animal welfare the respect has sadly turned to contempt.
Paul Shotton· 173 weeks ago
Absolutely outstanding blog and comments, its about time politicians realised whats happening out there. Keep up the excellent work.
Public Opinion· 173 weeks ago
The RSPCA make money by mounting prosecutions and where sucessful (and often even if not) asking for their costs from public funds, they often get a prosecution where the accussed if convicted will only be fined several £100's.
The RSPCA solicitors or barristers bills may be into several £10k's (perhaps £3-4 k on a small one where the accused pleads guilty) or even £100k's in a big case.
The RSPCA then ask for their costs awarded from public funds, so joe public foots the bill, this could also be their boarding or vets fees etc, so the cost can really get ramped up.
The RSPCA then get their media dept to publicise the prosecution in the local media via press releases and breifings, this results in maximum publicity driving local, sometimes national donations to them.
Additionally joe public foots the bill where the RSPCA call for police intervention, we have seen this just this week, its common for 5-10 police officers to accompany the RSPCA on an arrest, the RSPCA cant lose, they get their cost paid, free police and magistrates, free publicity and just recieve the donations, cheaper to prosecute than advertise indeed.
Safewings· 173 weeks ago
The public cannot get much help if any from legal aid so unless they are wealthy they have little chance of any fair representation.
I was called as an expert witness against the rspca who sat in court as if it was a war crimes tribunal, they were as usual decked out with medals and pips adorning their SS style uniforms and their barristor was a little underhanded to say they least but fair play to the Magistrates their so called expert witnesses evidence was removed from the case.
Even though when the rspca blatantly fail animal welfare they escape prosecution. A raptor is the easiest species of bird to keep so why did the rspca kill this beautiful bird and escape retrobution?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjM9m0xVK3M&fe...
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Alby Walker· 172 weeks ago
It's interesting to see Labour's Paul Shotton posting above - and a shame that by-election never came. It wasn't for want of trying.
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Karel· 172 weeks ago
I personally would not want to see the demise of the RSPCA, but agree with you, they definitely need to undergo re- structuring at the top. So that donations go to the welfare of the poor animals and not into the Boards pockets. Society is indeed to blame for most of the problems, and euthanasia is unfortunately necessary. However, the Inspectors have too much power over the public and should not be allowed to put a healthy animal in the back of the van and destroy it. I have also heard that if somebody applies to be an Inspector, they have to prove they have the bottle to kill animals. I won´t go into the details.
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Jill· 172 weeks ago
Firstly, I think the article is rather extreme, and dont agree with all of it. To be able to "trust all people in this country with good judgement" is in an ideal world. Unfortunately it doesnt work like that. Some people are irresponsible, ignorant, and just cruel.
On the other hand, i really do think the RSPCA does need to change. I think it needs new managers, board members, chairman, etc. The idea of the original organisation is great, but they have lost their way, and I feel it is at the top. It has made me rather depressed, as I wouldnt want to see the organisation dissapear altogether, as it does prosecute, and if run properley, is what we need for the animals. But again, I do think it needs genuine, non-corrupt people to run it.
As for putting the animals down, (and i probably wont be popular for this) but I feel that that is society`s fault. There are that many unwanted animals through peoples stupidity and ignorance, that there wouldnt be room in shelters. The existing shelters have already got waiting lists. I also want to add, that I do not agree with putting them to sleep, and I certainly wouldnt do it, even if it was policy.
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forex robot· 172 weeks ago
nice post. thanks.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
If the true facts concerning the rspca`s actions and misconduct were made fully public then they would surely be made accountable and seen for what they have become. The rspca are afraid to debate live in the public domain which highlights their lack of knowledge and lack of real conviction in defending its` actions and policies. All you get is a weak pre empted statement and then a total refusal to further respond. They have become above reproach and all formal complaints just do not get answered simply because they have become a law unto themselves.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
The rspca seems more interested in becoming a military force which should have no place in an animal charity. If you look at respected animal charities and rescues they have emblems on show on sweatshirts and fleeces to enhances the work they do in a caring manner and not in the intimidating fashion of the rspca. Many came from pre uniformed positions to join the rspca which obviously can lead one to believe that the emphasis was on the uniform not the actual position and the idealogy of actually helping animals.
As for capability how can anyone become profficient with all species after a 6-7 months training course most of which is taken up by other agenda than actually learning about the behavioural patterns and needs of the animals they may encounter.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Wildlife is their biggest failure and in many cases they cannot identify species, give out incorrect feeding advice ( some of which life threatening ) to the unknowing public. It is totally unacceptable that an animal charity with this much power can ignorantly advise a lady that found a young Little Owl to feed it " WEETABIX" and tell another lady who found a close rung Barn Owl wearing anklets and Jesses in her bedroom to just let it go !!
For one it is illegal ( punishable by a £5000 fine and or 6 months imprisonment ) and secondly it would have been a death sentance for the all too obviously captive bred bird, it was silly tame. The rspca state "All damaged birds are better off dead" and that they consider "wildlife rehabilitation unviable" yet continue to get involved with wildlife.
Faust· 172 weeks ago
Most RSPCA inspectors are reject police/military tin pot hitler types who didnt make the grade for a proper uniform wearing career and who just want to dress up in a uniform and intimidate ordinary members of the public, The abuse of the RSPCA's prosecution policy is now legendary, it certainly does pay to prosecute and not advertise. There is a long and growing list of RSPCA victims, many who suceed at appeal, reputations tarnished, who will testify that the RSPCA coach witnesses, fabricate statements and evidence to obtain their cherished prosecution, and isnt it uncanny that every sucessfull prosecution case is always the worst case the inspector has seen.
There are many anti RSPCA sites now on the net, one of the best is;
www.rspcainjustice.blogspot.com it shows the RSPCA in a completely new light.
Nick Griffin· 172 weeks ago
On a political note isnt it interesting that the BNP are now supporting the RSPCA and funding them financially, its all reminicent of 1930's Germany, so next on the political agenda will be live lobster boiling ! and halhal meat. More interesting is the political prosecutions, the conservative mayor of Havering ? and labour deputy mayor of stoke, these are BNP target areas.
One must ask the question, are the RSPCA and BNP colluding to take down the BNP's political opponents ? I notice a comment from Alfred Walker, the leader of the BNP in stoke expressing dissapointment re a by election in Fenton that didnt happen, and recall that the incumbemt labour politician, was acquited of charges, was this all part of a pre arranged plot ?
Advice to all politicians would be to get rid of your pets if you live in a BNP target area, or you are likely to get you door smashed in by the RSPCA special operations unit.
Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
RSPCA figures for 2008 show that they destroyed 8313 dogs and 12,329 cats and they state that healthy animals are destroyed because they are opposed to keeping dogs in kennels for lengthy periods. How long is too long? That is a staggering 22 dogs and 33 cats dying every day.The RSPCA state that ‘animals of unknown origin’ will be euthanised after only seven days! And only this year, there was a report of someone’s much-loved cat being ‘euthanised’ by an RSPCA inspector within hours of it being mistakenly reported as a stray. When it comes to animal welfare with the RSPCA it's all down to cost. It is much cheaper to euthanise a cat or a dog than it is to spend time and money on boarding costs or rehabilitation.
We shouldn't be killing animals because they are surplus to requirement. We should have legislation in place to stop all of this unregulated breeding.
How many prosecutions have been brought against puppy farmers since the implementation of the AWA - I think you will find it is close to a big fat zero!
How many scumbags topping up their benefits by selling puppies for cash have been prosecuted for fraud?
Why is there no affordable spay/neuter scheme in the UK. Some vets are raking in up to £300 to spay a bitch
It's all about money. If there were less pets, the vast billion pounds pet industry would suffer. If there were no cruelty there would be no jobs for the RSPCA. These organisations put vast pressure on governments to prevent anything that would affect their profits.
It's always the innocent that suffer
Fenris· 172 weeks ago
For those who claim it is necessary for the RSPCA or any shelter to kill animals please take a look at
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/
http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?page_id=166
Nathan Winograd has shown that there is no need to kill healthy animals.
That is why he is so condemned by the wealthy organisations running the animal rights movement, like the R£PCA, H$U$, PETA and A$PCA.
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Lisa S· 172 weeks ago
Hmmm.....sounds like the PETA/HSUS types here in the States. These slimebags raise SOOOO much money by telling people they are "helping the animals" when in fact all they're doing is harassing the animal's OWNER. This is animal rights 101 (as opposed to animal welfare advocates who really do help the animals). The best way to get rid of them is to expose what they are doing so no one donates. Great job exposing them!!!!
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
The rspca must be aware of this blog so are its` days numbered ? Or are the rspca prepared to debate all the serious issues raised here and dispell the doubts ?
But they are afraid of any constructive debate put forward by people that have a well balanced point so hide behind the media blanket that is all too regularly dropped over any bad press or opinion against them. Sadly it is a pity that we all cannot hide when we are called to make ourselves accountable or face responsibility.
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Safewings· 172 weeks ago
The rspca continue to amaze as once again they fail to help support one of their own Veterinary clinics from closing and let the BNP grab the attention and a permanent link with the rspca.
If they can willingly accept handouts from anyone then along with this link and its` content its` a very sad day for not only animal welfare but for morality.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=...
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
One posting off the link above sums it up " Blood and Honour "
Now perhaps the MP`s, Media and public will finally open their eyes and smell the coffee ?
Mrs Cheryl Bush· 172 weeks ago
It takes great courage to allow 'truth out', along with the powerful compassionate content of this article. This is what we the public, require from our politicians - 'truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth'! Due to this article alone, I am voting Conservative.
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Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Should not all of our MP`s be made aware of this excellent blog and asked directly for feed back. Surely the media need this pushed under their noses.
It is clearly obvious that many many people have an animal welfare interest and wish to see animal welfare improved.
The facts are that it will never happen with the rspca running amok or with a Labour Government in power. The facts are cast in stone that prove since Labour came to power and the rspca were hand animal welfare law and a free hand to Police it as they like animal well being has taken a huge step backwards. Time for a new broom to sweep and some commonsense installed.
Keith Protheroe· 172 weeks ago
The "Press" are well aware of this issue and have been for sometime but they will not take up the gauntlet either because they do not find it interesting enough or they are too scared to do so. The latter explanation is my guess.
It also requires people getting off their backsides and actually doing something constructive about it instead of just sitting there bleating about it and hoping someone else will do it because they have become apathetic.
Opportunities have been there to make a stance but have been ignored and just a handful of people being active against the RSPCA HQs policies etc' is not enough to be taken seriously. You only have to look back at the fuel protests to see that when they had the upper hand on the first major protest and were sold out by one of its leaders. Every protest since has had no effect at all and it is the same with this "campaign".
I fear we will still be saying the same old thing in 10 years time. That Is not to say that we should stop doing whatever we can to bring it to the fore and I will carry on until either something is done or I draw my last breath in this world.
http://www.animals-have-rights.co.uk
and don't forget to sign the petition as every signature counts:
http://www.petitiononline.com/bruno09/petition.ht...
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e_vigilante· 172 weeks ago
In anawer to Keith I think you will find that their investment portfolio, has been invested in Daily Newspaper. They have none in the Daily Telegraph, so it is them that needs to be targeted.
They also tell us that the reason for the high increase in animals going into their kennels, is the recession. During the 70's and 80's recession, the rehoming was on an increase . In the 90's it was in a decline ,but still above the figures from 2002 until now, and in the 60's they were pu tting down 350K animals which seem to be domestic pets, and I believe selling them to a glue factory in Yorkshire. The amounts are off their own website. If you cannot find it email me [email protected]
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Safewings· 172 weeks ago
I have been invited onto different TV programmes regarding animal welfare issues but as soon as the rspca is mentioned and the TV do not get positive response they drop you.
The BBC covered a programme relating to Animal Sanctuaries and I was contacted but as soon as the rspca were mentioned I was dropped from the programme. It went out presented by a TV Vet that is employed by the rspca it was totally biased as it only reported on the poorly run rescues and did not give anytime for those that are profficient.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Here are a couple of emails that may prompt some corresponse being sent If enough people send then the BBC may take off the blinkers.
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
Keith Protheroe· 172 weeks ago
These have been emailed already with no interest from any of them unfortunately.
Dozens of emails by lots of people were sent out but you may just if well banged your head against a brick wall.
http://www.animals-have-rights.co.uk
and don't forget to sign the petition as every signature counts:
http://www.petitiononline.com/bruno09/petition.ht...
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Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
Caption competition:
Why do the RSPCA have stab-proof vests?
http://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2009/11/...
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Oh what a tangled web they weave,
in their quest to deceive.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/buteobuc...
The rspca did not want to know about this dog that was left tied up for up to 14 hours a day. Notice no food or water.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff197/buteobuc...
At the front wheel of the rspca van there is a dead cygnet that the rspca fished out of a public lake. But instead of having some morality and covering the dead cygnet up and discretly removing it they just threw it against the wheel to the great upset of the children and adults that walked by. This shows the rspca at their contemtable best !
Victoria Thomas· 172 weeks ago
Have a look at www.petstreet.com. Click on News, first item, RSPCA, trying to look as though there is a purpose to their being there. Notice the Freudian slip in the report where they say they ''will not comprise animal welfare'
That's so near the truth it hurts!!
Verity Maxwell· 172 weeks ago
Readers may be interested to note another documented disconnect between what they do themselves and what they do to others, if they compare the ten German Shepherd captive bolt gun shootings with thsi story from Melbourne, Australia - http://www.theage.com.au/national/call-for-cat-sh...
where the RSPCA is calling for a sacking of the mayor and a councillor in a Victorian country town becasue the councillor shot a cat and her kittens and the mayor defended the action. Most relevant passage :
"But RSPCA president Hugh Wirth says the shootings are indefensible acts of cruelty, and an animal should only ever be shot in an emergency situation, if it is suffering and needs to be put down immediately.
''This was not an emergency situation,'' Dr Wirth said. ''I'm completely outraged.''"
Well, well!!!!
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Which figure is correct or is it as per se` deliberately massaged figures to bloat the rspca even further. Lies of Biblical proportions:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.w...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.p...
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Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
Of course the RSPCA control the press/TV but not the internet - yet!!
I think the public are beginning to wake up to them - albeit slowly.
Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
Yet another animal killed by them:
RSPCA killed our cat, say heartbroken Norwich family
Please ensure that this tragic story, about an out-of-control charity with a policy of euthanasia, gets the airing that it deserves in the public domain? Is it your view that the cat was "bolted", or properly put down by a vet within 4 hours of it being taken away by the charity's employee?
http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/news/story...
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Richard· 172 weeks ago
For the ‘uninitiated’, it’s vitally important to appreciate the truly heinous nature of the RSPCA’s ‘modus operandi’. Like our royalty and the Queen, they are seen as sacrosanct and beyond reproach by the Media, the Police, most of the veterinary profession and the Law Courts – as well as Joe Public. But, quite unlike our illustrious and much love head of state and her family, the RSPCA deserves none of its elevated status.
I was prosecuted by them a year ago; in all the hearings, they wheeled in a host of pathological liars and exaggerators (including PCs), who (whilst under oath) had no compunctions in stitching me up. In my absence, they had gate-crashed my home and taken my dogs under AWA 2006 Section 18(5), which stipulates that they should have had a vet’s certificate before doing so – which they didn’t have, nor had even attempted to get. However, all judges and magistrates - right up to the High Court - are so totally mesmerised by the RSPCA’s kitsch black uniforms and their awesome reputation that they appear to ‘walk on water’ to such naive and unworldly dignitaries! Anything (and I mean anything) the RSPCA chooses to demand of the Courts, the Media, the Police and the Veterinary Profession, the RSPCA invariably gets! Even where the facts, legal principles and weight of evidence are very heavily weighted against the RSPCA, the Courts will make a sentimental judgement in their favour in 9 out of 10 cases. Any pet-lover is assumed to be cruel and therefore guilty, unless he manages to prove otherwise – which is almost impossible when pitted against such odds.
My animals were kept in custody for the best part of a year whilst ‘due legal process’ wended its labyrinthine way along. There the dogs caught the very debilitating disease, ‘Giardia’ and grew at half their normal rate. I was allowed to visit them just twice during that year. The RSPCA then had them taken from me by the Courts - but also demanded and were awarded £16,000s worth of kennelling and legal costs! Magistrates, Judges and Recorders are completely blind to these sorts of injustices, when making their decisions. They simply didn’t realise that they were effectively passing a death sentence on my 14 perfectly healthy pedigree dogs and destroying my valuable bloodlines - all in the name of Animal Welfare!! The RSPCA's 'gravy-train' is driven by Mammon alone; animal welfare and any compassion for pets is not an issue at all for them.
New Labour’s Britain is no longer place for dog-lovers or dogs (or those who value their dignity), so I’ve given up my teaching career in the UK and emigrated!
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Safewings· 172 weeks ago
And now the BBC will not investigate the murder of the 10 GSD`s by the rspca.
WE all pay our TV licenses yet are censored from information by the biased BBC`s unfair discretionary actions.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
The BBC are apparently looking for Original and investigative stories for their current affairs programmes.
Perhaps with her receiving numerous links to the many blogs relating to the rspca it may open their eyes to what is actually happening.
Surely she will be glad to hear from anyone that has an issue
[email protected]
Helen Grady
Producer, BBC Radio Current Affairs
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Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
The BBC won't touch them. Apparently Henry Macaulay's (Head of media RSPCA) boyfriend works for the BBC.
They will have other people that they can influence high up at the BBC, to stifle anything negative about them.
Safewings· 172 weeks ago
Have emailed Ms Grady but as it is the BBC I do not expect even a response
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Gillian Evans· 172 weeks ago
I have had the need to phone the RSPCA on a number of occasions & have never ever been helped. Most of my phone calls have been due to stray dogs/cats.
I had no idea they had such power--something needs to be done. I haven't given them a penny for years & I will never give them a penny again.
Jayne Shenstone· 172 weeks ago
The RSPCA have no more power than you or I. However they wear police style uniforms and give themselves police style titles - so people think they have powers.
The responsibility for implementing the animal welfare act lies with the animal health inspectors who are employed by the local councils. They have power of entry as do police.
You are completely wasting your time by ever ringing the RSPCA. In future ring you local council and ask to speak to the animal health inspector - do not be fobbed off
http://www.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/welfa...
Lynn Weston· 171 weeks ago
I know the RSPCA are very greedy and certainly don't try to take in more animals and I am not surprised to read they had the space to shelter more animals and yet they chose to use the space for themselves.
It's a real eye opener what you have wrote, there is one thing I am against and that is having dogs tails docked, we are always saying be happy with what you are born with. If these dogs were meant to have a stump, that Is how they would be born. you also mention pet shops where I live, just like the RSPCA they are only interested in making profit.
when I go for my pet food, I see quite a few ill looking animals.
Richard· 171 weeks ago
I forgot to mention above that, every time I lost a Court hearing, the RSPCA publicity machine duly kicked in with a vengeance. I was featured in half-page colour spreads in three local papers with pictures of one of the puppies with a torniquet on its tail (with the comments like "shame", etc.) along with a report on our local HTV channel. This was again repeated following the loss of my Appeal. Even a real criminal wouldn't have received such appalling treatment! In other words, whatever the RSPCA had requested of these arms of the media in terms of publicity, was automatically granted to them. Some anonymous individual even posted a copy of the HTV report on an online website!
This relentless pursuit of publicity by the RSPCA at my expense has had some unpalatable consequences; both my house and car (whilst parked in my driveway) have been vandalised on several occasions since then. Now I have no option but to live abroad. I shall not live in a country where the authorities are given 'carte blanche' to invade my home!
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Safewings· 171 weeks ago
One of the only common sense policies the rspca once held was not to rehome animals over the Christmas period.
Whether you agree or disagree it is strange and most likely money related that they now change their policy.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.t...
e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
I would like to have a look at anyones RSPCA case File you can get it from your Soliciter for free only up to 6 years after your case, unless you are Appealing ETC. I have studied Law for 8 years, I am actually horified with the mistakes they make. If you have been a victim contact me, and I will help you get your file and we can see how the evidence might form a pattern, rather leaving you to frightened to put your head above the parapit.. I do not have to mention you names.
e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
We need a new list of solicitor to take on RSPCA, in stead of telling you to plead guilty to get it over with. If you have been ill advised, you can bring a case against your solicitor, some work pro bono. Through my experience, I have not yet come across, a good solicitor, working in this field, has anyone felt they had been advised, to plead guilty., when they thought they should, have not done so. I read the Anon listing from a rspca employee, Tony or Debbie Sims, did not tell me they had a friend in Horsham
[email protected]
e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
I spoke to another victim last night, yet another tail docking. I wonder who is failing to consider the art of tail docking and castration of baby lambs at 3-7 days of age. Having bred dogs, and producing ticket winners, I had to dock my own puppies tails, and they would wimper, for a few seconds and quite happily, go back to suckling mum. When you ring/band lambs they are not semi-mobile, they are fully functioning and happily running about. The minuet it is done they fall over, and are disorinatedfor approx 30 mins. They then have to wait for the blood supply to stop, to stop it throbbing, could be hours or days if they are tiny lambs. I would suggest ,you put a tight band on you finger and feel the pain for yourselves.
In Australia the cut the back of the lambs buttock off, with the a sort of Garden Shears to leave open flesh wounds, in the hope if will stop flystrike from under the tail,. the exposed patchs are approx 4x5 inches,.
Defra has been talking about banning banding in lambs, for many years, I think everybody who donates their money to the RSPCA, ought to say how their money should be spent., as they are happy to see baby animals suffering, that they cannot generate donations from.
Perhaps you should persuade people ,to leave their money to the Brooke, a real culture changing charity
Victoria Thomas· 171 weeks ago
I have just received a letter from DEFRA which states '' I have spoken to officials (The RSPCA presumably), and can confirm that captive bolt guns, followed by pithing to ensure death, is a mechanical euthansia method listed under the OIE terrestrial (sic) code as an accepted method on welfare grounds for euthanasia of dogs. This is one of a variety of methods which may be used for euthanasia of dogs; it is important to be aware that this method requires a skilled operator to ensure that the shot is accurate''.
How does this counter balance with Promoting Kindness, Giving Animals A Voice, and Preventing Cruelty??
Euthanasia means Peaceful Death. What is peaceful about being shot in the head with a three inch bolt?
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
How delighful that the rspca can after some perhaps fumbled attempts actually stun the dogs with the captive bolt gun and then subsequently begin pithing. For those who are not aware pithing is a technique in which the brain of the animal is scrambled with a tool ( sometimes in the case of the rspca a stick ) inserted through the hole in the skull created by the afore mentioned captive bolt gun.
Sadly anyone with any animal knowledge places DEFRA alongside the rspca in being as much use as a chocolate fireguard. If they cannot find it on their screens then they go into abort.
Have a lovely example of DEFRA incompentence regarding the H5N1 hype a few years ago.
Victoria Thomas· 171 weeks ago
I also had a letter from the Charities Commission, who inform me that the animals are not the beneficiaries in the RSPCA structure, the people are the beneficiaries, in terms of education etc. So now we know, the RSPCA are not, and have never been, there for the benefit of the animals. Isn't that ''Obtaining money under false pretences''?
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Safewings· 171 weeks ago
The only beneficiaries are the fat cat rspca employees themselves and what a waste of money. If their vast wealth was spread between all the good animal rescues what a difference would be made.
The rspca in Australia are considerably better they actually address serious issues in most cases face on. They have caused the banning of public fireworks in many areas and today they have succesfully stopped the continuation of jumps racing due to the high death toll in 2009. But here in the UK cruelty brings in revenue for our rspca so why would they wish to stop it?
Ian james· 171 weeks ago
The RSPCA will be seeing the New Year in with a BANG! Remember a dog is for life not just for Christmas.
e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
This is for Victoria. The RSPCA hold their charitable status due to the fact they educate people, by way of advising them. how to look after their animals and things like freedom foods. The major loophole in that, is they are giving out advise and inprovement orders, with not having formal training. So you are given these forms on the persons opinion, not textbook studies. While the New Act passage through Parliament, Margaret Becket said that Prosicutions under this Act, need to be proven with established facts, not just snapshots. Now this should relate to all aspects, not just 1in perticular. At my sentencing the RSPCA solicitor Baches, stood up in court and said 'That the reason my horse had been neglected, was because she had not have grass, to eat during the winter, and horses have to have grass, else they will die. Unfortunatly the man was making erronious statements, as there are at leased 10.000 horses in London, that do not see a blade of grass, living in converted multi story carparks. There are the Race horses who don't go out, when in training and then of course the horses. who live on the Equator, where grass does not grow.
It was also read out at my appeal that '' Evidence we have here, is one horse in a group of 5, has not been starved, if the others are it proper condition. Their vet said this was not true, but this was a document by Tonge and Green, put together for the Vet training school with the help of the RSPCA !! She went on to say that the Black's Vet Dictionary was also wrong. That is one of my reasons for a Case Stated, not to mention, she could not tell, she was in foal, so they gave her 'Starved Horse' Rations of 10ld of hay per day .no hard food or vits/mins making her even weaker, then she was then left to foal on her own, at full term, 27days later. Sunshine was 15.00h, the foal was the correct weight. They witheld the Photos of her with the foal shortly after birth, until the Second day of the Appeal. It is now 51 weeks since I applied for a case stated, I had one copy but sent it back to the Judge because of his mistakes.
e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
Did anyone see the police training the other day, where they were training the horses, to run at crowds. The Police officers on the ground, were throughing what looked like 1/2 bricks at the horsesand riders. Totally unnessasary. If I could remember you could see it on I player. Anyway a lighter note have you watched SIMON'S CAT on you tube there are 7 short films and last week it had already had 2.5 million hit.
Victoria Thomas· 171 weeks ago
This is for Vigilante, as well as others. Your case clearly illustrates how the RSPCA set themselves up as Vets, Behaviourists, Experts on ALL species, as if they have undergone many years of training, instead of a few months.
They actually contradict the experts, and the judges--for their shame--believe them. It appears that the RSPCA can make the most outlandish, ridiculous statements, and it is accepted as some sort of knowledgable truth. I think it's time we wrote to the Justice Ministry and put the judges straight about the rspca. We have already written to every Chief Constable, in the hope that common sense will prevail. The more we get the message out there, that the rspca are NOT police, vets et al, the more chance we have of beating them.
The secrecy that abounds in this country is the reason for its downfall and the spiralling into dictatorship.
We must tell the authorities that we will not accept this. The bigger they are, the harder they fall, and People Power CAN change things!
Jayne Shenstone· 171 weeks ago
This an email sent to Dr Richard Ryder who is a member of the RSPCA ruling council who
according to Wikepedia:
‘is a British psychologist who came to public attention in 1969 when, after having
worked in animal research laboratories, he began to speak out against animal
testing, and became one of the pioneers of the modern animal liberation movement’
http://www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/richard-ryd...
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
I have just written to the rspca`s John Rolls asking as to why they used a captive bolt gun on those 10 german shepherd dogs and was a method of pithing used. It has also been cc`d to numerous media sources with a list of animal species considered acceptable by the OiE for the actual use of captive bolt guns and their like. It does not mentine anywhere that dogs are an acceptable species.
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e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
Thank you Victoria, I am at the moment doing a paper, on the the legality of the Animal Welfare Act, having collected every word spoken in Parliament and the Lords during its passage. Ben Bradsham made a solem promise that it would not be the RSPCA, giving out the notices, and carrying out the inspections, he promised that funds would be made available, to train the new 'Inspectors' this was also mentioned at length in the Lords. It may please you to know that the Federation of Chief Constables, say in their opinion the RSPCA, should not be in the forefront, of this new Act, and that they did not want to be either. They proposed that new specially trained, inspectors were the best option. This was taken on and the trained 'Inspectors' were talked about for the 3 to 4 years during its passage.
The promise of Government Funds to supply these inspectors was promised, but in it final week before gowing in the Queens Speech, Lord Lucas ( Leader of the Lords Labour)slipped into his debate ''It will stay as the same it was before''. So everything passed was done so under a false premise. I feel they have had plenty of practice with the comments on TV every night in the Iraq inquest.
I have started it, but I am involved in so many campains. This might also be considered.
Three weeks before my Appeal, my home burned down, and it seems as a matter of convienience, two others suffered the same fate a couple of weeks before their Appeals. My beloved Goldie, Flora was in my Caravan at the time, and managed to get out with her coat scorched. A few month later she developed breathing dificulties, as she was 16 yrs, I had not put the two things together, last night she lost her fight in her ability to breath correctly. She had been to the vet, who told me, that her heart was fine,.earlier this year. She had a repeat persription this week, to no avail. The top door is always left ajar for the cats, as a cat flap. I had to buy a newish Caravan and replase everything. Now I do not have to worry to her welfare if the same thing happened again. I now can increase my input., into this campain.
You have read about the Press Releases, and how they change peoples lives, the Specially worded item, was in the local paper, all incorrect. A woman came up to me a spate in my face the following day in town.
As I lost everything my book is gowing to be a name and shame of every Government Agency I have come up against in the last 9 years predominately the Courts and the Police.
My email is [email protected]
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e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
I should have said matter of coincidence, have not been to bed. As to my book thank god for Spell Check
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
The rspca are very good at blowing their own trumpet but lets hope that both the BNP and now Gordon Brown are backing a losing horse, by the way no mention of the 10 GSD`s ?
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.r...
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
We have a golden opportunity to help disolve, oops sorry I mean resolve the problems in the rspca. They are advertising for Council Members and anyone can apply via the email below....
[email protected]
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
This I received straight from the horses mouth so to speak.
"But in London it is useless talking to the RSPCA about birds. They operate mainly from The Harmsworth Hospital - the one always on the TV animal programmes.
Yesterday I got a call from a woman called ****** who works there. She had an exotic Fancy Pigeon that had been rescued a few days ago. I have helped her before with Fancy Pigeons and so she called me again and I collected the bird from her and am now trying to find a new home for it. While I was at the Harmsworth we had a long talk and she was again explaining that the situation with birds is even more critical there.
Before, they would accept bird casualties from the public and then euthenase them quickly behind the counter. Now - they no longer even accept bird casualties. They turn people away and tell them all to put birds back where they found them and leave nature to take its own course.
****** said that they have too much work looking after dogs and cats, to be able to care about birds.
Victoria Thomas· 171 weeks ago
Hi Safewings, just read the link on the Cumbria rescues, my God they like you to know how hard they've worked!!!
You never hear the RAF, Coastguard, RNLI, Police, Fire Brigade or Mountain Rescue going on lie that, and to bring Bill Barker's name into it in that context was pretty low!!
Jayne Shenstone· 171 weeks ago
THE ENFORCERS - published in 1997
Nothing much has changed!!
'Ex-RSPCA inspector David Barnes says: "When you've put down a lot of animals, you become immune to any emotional feeling about it, and you do it almost without blinking" Barnes left the RSPCA to set up another animal charity.
The RSPCA has been known for recruiting large numbers of its inspectorate – the 320 paid inspectors whose job it is to bring prosecutions against perpetrators of animal cruelty -- from the armed services and police forces The RSPCA calls itself a law enforcement agency. All the inspectors are, in the words of the director general Peter Davies, himself ex-army, "subject to my discipline". A large chunk of the inspectors' 26-week training is devoted to learning how to destroy animals humanely, and an inspector may he required to put down as many as 60 animals, including healthy ones, to prove that he or she has the guts for the job. All inspectors carry firearms.'
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blo...
Safewings· 171 weeks ago
How sickening the rspca can criticise anything yet when the tide is turned they are shielded by the press
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.d...
Do the rspca see their GSD murder as a prank ?
Jayne Shenstone· 171 weeks ago
Sorry, this clip is awful but the public and their supporters need to know how the 10 GSD's really died. It wasn't the captive bolt gun that killed them. They were pithed!!!
'A decision was made following a discussion between eight RSPCA officers that the most humane form of euthanasia would be to use a captive bolt. This would minimise distress to the dogs, while also being the safest method for those people responsible for dealing with the animals. Restraining the dogs and then shaving a limb to prepare for a lethal injection would have caused these animals unnecessary suffering, due to the animals suffering from a severe skin condition.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4
Keith Protheroe· 171 weeks ago
I have watched that video clip, much against my own good judgement, but watching it is required in order to understand what the RSPCA have done to these 10 GSDs and countless other animals.
It made me sick, so much so that I had to turn it off after about 30 seconds.
This only goes to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that any animal that is disposed of in this method is not going to die a easy death.....far from it, they are more likely to suffer great pain and agony.
The RSPCA call themselves "humane".................I would call them MONSTERS and this practice should be outlawed now. The 10 GSDs that they murdered in the Swansea Valley will probably have suffered in the same way.
Now, if you are a RSPCA supporter who have been arguing their side................come on here and tell me that this method is acceptable !
http://www.animal;s-have-rights.co.uk
safewings· 171 weeks ago
I have worked with animals for nearly 50 years and have witnessed some disturbing events but to watch the youtube slot on livestock slaughter and picturing the GSD`s suffering even more has made me feel that the rspca are despicable torturers and animal welfare has lept back to the dark ages. To think that these scum will be setting out animal welfares` future does not bear thinking about.
I will be seriously considering as to whether we will continue working with animals in 2010 considering the rspca gestapo are already plotting to see their guidelines pushed into animal rescue.
Victoria Thomas· 171 weeks ago
Hang on in there Safewings, if you give in, they win.
We MUST get the papers onto this asap and stop them in their tracks. The Telegraph seems to be the only paper not under their spell, so I suggest we all write to them, now. Everyone who has contributed to this blog.
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e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
I have already sent the blog to the Telegraph, last week. I can give you a couple of names, you might try-----as they have had a go at them in the papers and on TV
1.Richard Littlejohn The Mail He gave them a verbal tyrade over Dr GIll
2. John Stapleton ITV Breakfast TV Really had a go at them over their figures
3. ?? Opek Lib Dem MP Has had a go in the media
4. Ian HIslop The ??? Did a two week expose' on them.
I will give you some more names, from the Lords and The Commons in a day or so
I have promised to telephone some people but I have l lost my voice and I am still shell shocked about my dog
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e_vigilante· 171 weeks ago
Perhaps it might be an idea to have a go at the Mp's who let them railroad the Welfare Bill through Parliment Ben Bradshaw , I do not know if you have noticed the the Vice Presidents claimed almost £100.000 in expences in 2008 or 2007, This includes Anne Widecome, Ian Cawsey they are all on the list. Send to these Anne is a great cat lover. What about the association of Chief Constables, they did not want the RSPCA involed with the Act. It is time we went out of the Box. Try the Dog Trust, I have an email from them that they have many friends in the RSPCA, see how they like the truth in front of them and the Cats Protection.and this name of the Game is Come in the Come in the Back Door, while no one is looking. As I said I will come back with other names.
Ps read the replies between Safewing and myself 4 days ago
Victoria Thomas· 170 weeks ago
Eliott Morley and Norman Baker are also Vice Presidents of the rspca, as is Sir Patrick Moore. I have written to them all. Not one has had the decency to reply. A group of us also wrote to every Chief Constable in England and Wales, with six acknowledgements so far. Of the Press, only the Telegraph seems to have the will to publish anything, so several of us are writing to them with lots of facts, figures and links and the plea that they investigate thoroughly and publish. The Editor, Daily Telegraph, 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London SW1W ODT.
South Wales Police still investigating the incident of the Shepherds in Pontardawe.
e_vigilante· 170 weeks ago
Thank you Vicky I feel sending all the ones I mentioned Jane's Video, It upsets more if they have nothing to come back to. As I said the Dog Trust should recieve it, and in the Code of the Horse list about 12 bodies that signed up together, including Princess Anne.The way I read that code, is that they are all responsable for each others action, in a round about sort of way. Send the video to Elliott morley and Norman Baker , but Ian Cawsey was the worse as The RSPCA paid his staffs wages. There are also reporters based in the Houses of Parliament. It is Lembik Opic Try Lord Lipsey the man in Charge of Greyhound Racing., Defras Inspectors, and Trading Standards in your local areas.Let them have the evidence under their noses, you know the saying divide and 'conker'
You have been sending your opinions which they can ignore and will, so send your video with everybodies name ie CC Anne Widecombe, etc so if only one person watches it and they are disgusted and she phones others on the list, they will be asked to look at it. They also will remember that they have been challenged to view it. As for the Telegraph they have been investigating the RSPCA for over 10 years. Send them something they can get there teeth into, pleading will not work, they need clear and accurate evidence. they cannot cover the Pontardawe evidence as it cannot be discussed while the Police are considering the case, else it can jepordize the case.As the Vice presidents what they claimed for in expences from the RSPCA, I should think it had to be`declared. If I can remember rightly there are approx 20 Vice Pres chech how many other claimed expences and go grom there. As I said give me a day or so and I will come back to you. Did anyone notice in the accounts expenture for VANS. With 325 inspectors there should be 325 vans, and how many million calls with 3 staff in the call centre.
Please give me a few days Rose
safewings· 170 weeks ago
Thanks for the info and the contacts there are a couple I havent` tried before. But as Victoria says the likes of Norman Baker Etc just do not even reply.
Sadly Ann Widdicombe even when presented with the facts still verhmently defends them. Elliot Morley did respond in writing only to tell me that Fireworks and airguns were NOT an Animal welfare Issue !!!! Obviously like his rspca counter parts he puts revenue before animal welfare and like the rspca gains financially ( taxes ) from animal cruelty.
Sad note though even the rspca in Australia are following the UK`s approach now to saying you must take on an animal for Christmas, but in this case pulling on the heart strings that if not we will kill them.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://city-...
safewings· 170 weeks ago
To Help here are a number of emails that the link can be sent to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4
[email protected]
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safewings· 170 weeks ago
I contacted the rspca to hopefully gain their support in trying to see wildlife rescues / sanctuaries improved without too much red tape and costs. They turned down my request as they said they have plans of their own ?
This fills me with dread as I have seen some of the rspca`s guidelines and why would they not even read my petition based on nearly 50 years work ?
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Pet-wildlife-sep...
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e_vigilante· 170 weeks ago
Safewing, write to ian cawsey under the freedom of infomation Act for a copy of his accounts. Then check that the expences and staff payments. He has disclosed, them but do they stand up when cross referenced. you have to contact John stapelton by letter, to the TV studio. Send them the video via email, and Lord Lipsey told the Lords the reason, the RSPCA did nothing about the guy who was putting down Greyhounds was because they were using him themselves. Frank Field says a lot but when you contact him he is to busy. Roger Gale MP has been on a TV programe, saying how bad they are, he also has dogs (labs), send them all the video. Try Vince Cable MP as i believe he has horses (I think), but he is very well respected.
As I have said ealier you have tried what you have got knowwhere you must go in a different direction, because writing to the RSPCA is futile. The Police feel naming and shaming is the way forward so follow suit, by the way I have not got Alzhiemer's just the Flu.
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e_vigilante· 170 weeks ago
When you send these letters ask questions, which they are obliged to answer. You are by law able to ask for his (Freedom of Information Act) accounts. Record the delivery. If he does not write, ask for a copy off the Telegraph, tell them you think you might have a story. Lets be honest, since the expose' he would be extreamly stupid to ingnore.
I have wrtten 100's of letters and I tell them what they have done wrong, they are so angry, to what you have said, they fill the page, with so much. They then say, I cannot see what complaint, I was trying to make, thus making you feel inadequate, but you have a page and a half, to scrutinise their own errors. It has been sent to you and under copyright law, can be published in any book or document. If you tell them to stop doing something, they think, who do you thing you are. Cannot say what they really want, so they don't bother. You would not believe the mistakes made, I have received
Let me give you an example, I wrote to Charities Comm and The Attorney General. Asking, for them to look at the Perjury and Perverting the Course of justice, in my RSPCA case. Both respones were quite lengthy, both stating its not in my remit' within this, were blatent mistakes, of fact of law statues, and ignorance of their remit.
They are worth a gold mine to me, for my book, as my blame lies with the Government. As my aim is not only to tell the populate, that they all are incompetant, but to prove it. Then ask the Question ''How many other People have lost their homes, businesses, or in fact took their own lives, due to these mistakes.
Every time in went into the Civil Court a mistake was made, with Circuit Judge quoting the wrong law at me and when I challenged him, for something he wanted to do, he snatched the form back and wrote in his own hand, why I had to do it , in doing so he misquoted a judical ruling. That why I keep saying, try a different approach. Anyway I must go I am off to the Publishers.
Victoria Thomas· 170 weeks ago
What I do now, as with my letter to the Telegraph etc, is headline the sections. For instance I put Funding in capitals, then write about that, then Animal Welfare, and enclose everything I know about that and so on. It makes it easier for them to find the relevant bit that interests them. If the Press aren't prepared to run a whole article, then perhaps they will take up one aspect of it. If we achieve that, the rest should follow, because once we actually get SOMETHING published, we can apply pressure for the rest. At least, that's the hope. I have written over seventy letters so far and had very few replies. The only response I received from anyone connected to the RSPCA was from Daphne Harris, the Chair of the Ruling Council, and THAT was a whitewash. She hasn't even acknowledged my follow up letter---too many questions she can't answer without dropping her Society right in the brown stuff.
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
http://www.bsava.com/Advice/PolicyStatements/Euth...
2. Policy Statement on Euthanasia of Dogs and Cats
The BSAVA believes that euthanasia, the act of producing painless death, is best performed by the injection of an overdose of a barbiturate solution, under the direction of a veterinary surgeon. When dealing with a frightened or vicious animal, a pre-medicant may be used before injecting the barbiturate. Other methods are not recommended except in emergency situations where mercy killing is necessary.
Approval: BSAVA Council as Policy Statement No. 11 (Euthanasia of dogs and cats) 1999.
Recent update: May 2006
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
Experts and other organisations say it's wrong to shoot dogs - but of course the RSPCA are unregulated, unaccountable, will not answer to anyone.
'Stray dogs, frequently suffering from hunger and illness, seek food and shelter in human communities. They are often seen as a nuisance and health hazard by the people who live alongside them.
With a lack of knowledge and resources, communities in developing countries frequently resort to randomly culling strays, by poisoning, electrocuting or shooting dogs.
These methods are inhumane, causing the animals great pain and suffering. They are also ineffective in the long term as they do not address the cause of the problem.'
http://www.wspa-international.org/wspaswork/dogs/...
Maybe the RSPCA will just have to be answerable to the donating public
safewings· 170 weeks ago
I have again tried to raise the issues with the BBC, yes our very own channel that we pay for. And just to endorse their total ignorant bias I have detailed just three prime examples As follows:
On three totally seperate occasions ( to which I still have copies ) The BBC contacted me in regard to animal welfare issues and please note in these three cases it was the BBC that initially contacted me.
The first occasion was if you recall to cover a story on Inside Out regarding the animal welfare bill, secondly I was contacted by telephone and by email by Country File to cover the work we do over a set period leaving a video camera to cover routines. The third time was again by Inside Out to cover the issue of Sanctuaries which is still being debated under secondary legislation.
On ALL three occasions the storylines were dropped when I mentioned my feelings regarding the rspca ( to which I have many many factual accounts ) and their attitude towards certain areas.
It is just very sad that the bias towards the rspca directly affects animal welfare.
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safewings· 170 weeks ago
THIS SAYS IT ALL: Pensioner fined and prosecuted for failing to adhere to the rspca`s " Duty of Care"
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.e...
Here the rspca escape any accountability for failing to adhere to their " Duty of Care"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjM9m0xVK3M&feature=player_embedded
I have written to the Ely Standard, but wont` hold my breath.
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
ATTORNEY GENERAL v ROYAL SOCIETY FOR THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO
ANIMALS (1985)
DC
CRIMINAL EVIDENCE - SENTENCING
CONTEMPT OF COURT - WITNESSES-INTERFERING WITH
RSPCA disciplining witness
Contempt application by Attorney General against society for bringing
disciplinary proceedings against one of its officers for giving
evidence for the defence in a private prosecution brought by the
society. HELD: There was no difference between punishing a man for
giving evidence & punishing him for the content of his evidence or the
manner in which he testified.Both were calculated to interfere with
the course of justice & to deter witnesses from coming forward &
telling the truth as they saw it. Fine of £10,000 imposed.
Times, June 22, 1985
Document No. AC1744296
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/631249/Im-A-...
Yet the News of the World ignore the rspca slaughter of ten German shepherds ?
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Safewings· 170 weeks ago
If enough people sent to the NOTW they might pick up on the fact that the rspca are not what they would have them believe.
[email protected]
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
DO THE rspca have no conscience ?
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in...
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
Based on what we have uncovered, I think that's a no!!
Victoria Thomas· 170 weeks ago
My letter to the NOTW will be posted tomorrow, along with one to the Press Complaints Commission and Richard Littlejohn
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
We must just keep going. They think we will give up - but we won't.
They can't just keep turning a blind eye to the atrocities being committed by this organisation
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
The longer this blog continues and the more information and factual criticism placed on here the more the public and the media will be made aware of the depths the rspca have sunken to.
I for one will not give up raising the issues regarding the rspca, although my working with animals ( knowing full well that the rspca will be instigating even more of their crap into secondary legislation ) may be compromised simply because I will not work under incorrect, life threatening guidelines forced on me by the rspca gestapo.
Some of the rspca`s guidelines forced upon sanctuaries is unbelievable and with printed comments ( directives ) from the rspca such as " ALL damaged birds are better off dead" then what chance do we have ?
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
The rspca are still begging for money
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.t...
My response:I cannot believe that the rspca are asking for even more money, considering their assetts of £444 m. And especially asking for money to care for animals after they murdered 10 german shephards with a captive boltgun followed up by pithing. Brenda Brady said " Many people believe the RSPCA put animals down, but we look after cats long-term". Yet the RSPCA figures for 2008 show that they destroyed 8313 dogs and 12,329 cats .
The rspca have lost the respect they once held.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
Comment before the wipe the viewpoint
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.t...
After both watching and reading about the ridiculous headline concerning certain low life celebs eating vermin I sincerely hope that The MEDIA and the like follow up on the malicious case of where our wonderful rspca gestapo murdered 10 GERMAN SHEPHERD DOGS with a CAPTIVE BOLTGUN followed by PITHING. The rspca made NO ATTEMPT to rehome these dogs and went totally against all guidelines regading animal welfare.
A prat kills and eats a rodent and gets front page headlines ? A once respect animal rights charity murders 10 Pet Dogs and their murderous crime is buried by the so called free press. There are not two laws in the UK, or are there ?.
Kate· 170 weeks ago
To be fair to the local branches, they do the bulk of the good work normally associated in the public's consciousness with the RSPCA. However, the local branches receive no financial assistance from HQ and must work hard to raise all their own funding. They also keep animals longer-term than the National Policy which allows for the keeping of an animal of unknown origin for only seven days . The general public needs to be aware that when they make monthly subscription/donations or leave legacies to the RSPCA, this money goes directly to HQ and not to their local branches.
Kate· 170 weeks ago
The public is also unaware that the RSPCA employs only 325 inpectors to cover the whole of England and Wales. In my own area, two inspectors are expected to cover approximately 60 miles which includes tracts of moorland as well as built-up areas, including some which are socio/economically deprived where cases of animal cruelty are high. This leaves those inspectors with an impossible workload. Consequently they have to prioritise - and cases which clearly breach the Animal Welfare Act are left to fester until such time as the inspectors can visit. I personally had to pester the RSPCA's National Call Centre for weeks before my concerns were addressed. Even then, the animals I was reporting were only visited after I had written to the CEO and threatened to go to the media. It took three months before a slight improvement was afforded to thos animals.
When I highlighted the shortage of inspectors on the RSPCA Facebook, I was banned and told that my 'truthful' and 'polite' comments were defamatory.
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Safewings· 170 weeks ago
MY RESPONSE FROM OIE RE CAPTIVE BOLT GUNS
Thank you for your email from the 28 November 2010 asking for imformation concerning the use of the captive bolt for the destruction of domestic dogs.
The OIE General Assembly of Delegates of the 175 Members of the OIE, adopted in 2007 a new standard on "Stray dog population control".
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
The OIE undertook the development of this standard because of the need to provide advice and support , particularly to developing countries, to deal with the threat to human health of serious zoonotic diseases, such as rabies, which kills thousands of people each year globally .
In the development of this standard, the OIE worked with a group of experts from all the OIE Regions, including representatives of the World Society for the Protection of Animals (WSPA), with which the OIE has a formal cooperation agreement.
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
The OIE standard for the control of stray dog populations emphasises the implementation of controls as appropriate to the national context and local circumstances . Several measures should be employed together, including euthanasia as appropriate. If euthanasia is used, it should be done humanely and in combination with other measures to achieve effective long term control of stray dog populations.
The standard include a list of methods of euthanasia for use with stray dogs without recommending any specific method over the others. The use of the captive bolt is foreshadowed and the animal welfare implications are listed, as well as important considerations relating to operator security.
The OIE standard on stray dog population control can be downloaded at the following link:
http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/mcode/en_chapitre_1...
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Safewings· 170 weeks ago
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.t...
Below is the type of rspca supporter that says it all.....
Comment taken from the above weblink
My understanding is that the dogs were in distress, had been abandoned and were aggressive.
I also understand that they were put down on the guidance of a vet.
Sometimes these things happen....the RSPCA does not live in a hairy-fairy-world and, at times, serious decisions have to be made.
Sometimes killing an animal is more humane than letting it suffer, or being a danger to people. Phred, With me 3 cats + dog
e_vigilante· 170 weeks ago
I have just watched the RSPCA rescue on BBC this morning. I would suggest you watch it on the Iplayer falcility.
It is the rescue of two abandoned Welsh Mountain ponies in the east of the country.and had been abondoned for '3 years'. I suggest you study the two ponies carefully as they load then to their condition.
At the ILPH centre, there is concern shown over the stallions weight ???, by this time he had dropped weight and the shine had gone off his coat.
The mare was given various tests and X Rays for Laminitus the Xrays should her pedal bones had not rotated, and the first trimming had put them back into a much better position.
The outside of the stable doors showed signs of previous distressed horses , and this should have been the quarentine block, dirty wall and preused bedding.
The final scene was of the infamous Ted Barns stood by the turn out pappock and the stallion, looking in a sad neglected state with a sikn allergy round his eyes, his main cut off with a pair of sissors, and looking very thin for a Welsh Mountain, his coat was dull and his hip bones sticking out. It was explained this was 12 months later and that the mare had been put down.
I wonder if someone could offer to take it off the iplayer so that it could be viewed easily. I am not that much of a wizz kid with this kind of thing. and put it up on here Thank you
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
Jumping on the Olympic Bandwagon now. This was juts mailed by a friend:
'Will this be a "Cage Free" Olympics? If the Olympics want "free range food", then why are they using "Freedom Food", which (despite its misleading name) is no guarantee of free-range? The RSPCA's big food campaign at the moment is on so-called "cage free eggs", which are essentially no better than battery hens. Another blood-stained gravy train begins, I fear for the RSPCA? Will RSPCA inspectors be "on duty" at the Olympics, at the public expense? Perhaps chekcing that none of the athletes from Ghana have trained while feeding on rat meat?'
http://www.politics.co.uk/opinion-formers/press-r...
Now check out Hillside Sanctuaries reports on Freedom Foods:
http://www.hillside.org.uk/documents/octnl2009_00...
Safewings· 170 weeks ago
The pressure needs to be kept up
Please click link and add comment regarding Stray Dogs and the rspca etc.....
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.n...
Jayne Shenstone· 170 weeks ago
They have done all they can to hide the fact that they often kill dogs with captive bolts. The 10 GSD's was not an isolated case
'Hi, a reply finally to my question asked in august, they have the reply dated 13/11 but I only got notification of it today. 65 dogs killed by captive bolt .'
Thank you for your enquiry.
Please accept our apologies for the delay in response; this is due to an exceptionally high number of enquiries received over recent months and it is taking some time to reply to them all.
Not all the figures you have requested are available and we would normally require greater background and context so that we can understand the purposes for which the statistics will be used. However, we hope you find the following information helpful.
On average the Society rehomes over 60,000 animals every year. It has been necessary for our inspectorate to euthanase 576 dogs so far this year, 65 by captive bolt. The use of the captive bolt is the quickest and kindest approach under certain circumstances, but the Society recognises that it may be perceived as a controversial method of euthanasia for companion animals.
Sadly, the RSPCA is often seen as the charity of last resort and so that an animal's welfare is not compromised further, euthanasia is often the kindest option. No one working for the Society finds this aspect of their role at all easy. Until there is greater recognition of the issues surrounding indiscriminate breeding and irresponsible pet ownership it is likely to remain an aspect of our work.
We have new campaigns and education programmes planned for 2010 that will highlight and address these fundamental concerns.
Other animal welfare charities claim they do not put animals to sleep but say they are unable to assist owners in many more challenging circumstances. The RSPCA does not believe this is an acceptable response as further animal suffering is often the result.
Thank you again for contacting the Society, and we hope the above information has been of interest.
Kind regards
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Victoria Thomas· 170 weeks ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6475301/Po...
Read the bottom line of this article.
Safewings· 169 weeks ago
To quote the gestapo "The use of the captive bolt is the quickest and kindest approach under certain circumstances"
Perhaps the quickest for inhumane rspca employees but can anyone tell of any Veterinarians that have used a captive bolt gun and pithing to kindly put someones` pet dog to sleep ?.
But it must be us that are at fault ? For every media outlet and MP etc etc I have sent the links pertaining to the rspca`s use of captive bolt guns not one has even aknowleged receipt of my emails.
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Safewings· 169 weeks ago
I read recently that Ann Widecombe was almost brought to tears whilst watching some pantomime with a toy donkey in the story yet she fails to respond to the factual links sent to her about her beloved rspca. And the media and MP`s are all basically the same " hypocrits " that are quick to blow up the rspca`s hype yet hide anything negative. They have all been brainwashed that without the rspca animal welfare would collapse so they protect them.
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Safewings· 169 weeks ago
To try to tackle the problem regarding stray dogs, anyone who owns a dog or is thinking about owning one is invited to the council shop in High Street, Kettering, on December 16, from 9.30am, where they will be given advice about breeds, techniques and what it takes to be a good owner. Kettering Council environmental wardens, along with colleagues from the RSPCA , will be on hand to answer any questions. Hopefully some can attend or contact the Kettering Evening Telegraph to ask the rspca relevant questions about their excessive use of captive bolt guns and advice on pithing..
Richard· 169 weeks ago
To see just how fully complicit the BBC is in maintaining the RSPCA’s benign and kindly image, one only had to watch yesterday morning’s, i.e. Thursday, 10th December’s episode of ‘Animal 24/7’ on BBC 1. Even though the letters RSPCA didn't appear in its title, the programme exclusively featured reports of its Inspectors' compassionate work in helping owners rehabilitating their elderly or infirm pets by taking them to vets, giving advice and then returning them in better health, etc. The very favourable light in which the Inspectors were portrayed was obviously designed to warm the cockles of the viewers’ hearts at Christmas time - except that it was a travesty of the real truth for so many hapless and victimised pet-owners who’ve had their animals ruthlessly seized and executed and also then been prosecuted for no good reason. Clearly, the truth is simply not on the BBC’s agenda. Do they have RSPCA sympathisers or paid acolytes on their board? It’s a disgrace for our only public TV broadcaster to act in this way!
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Victoria Thomas· 169 weeks ago
It has just been pointed out to me that in yesterdays (Thursday) episode of Animals 24/7, Number 9, Cats in a derelict house, that the cat rescued from the house and the cat they claimed to have made a full recovery were two different cats! The first one had a white blaze on its face and white legs. The second had a black face and only had white on it's front feet, not it's legs. Check iplayer and see for yourselves. If someone has a way of saving it, we need to contact the BBC and RSPCA and accuse them of fraud and misrepresentation. The only reason to have done it was to gain more money from sympathetic viewers.
Safewings· 169 weeks ago
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.h...
Typical rspca
Safewings· 169 weeks ago
Dear Kettering Borough Council,
I understand from reading the Evening Telegraph that the Borough Council is holding a surgery on December 16th regarding responsible dog ownership and addressing the serious issue of stray dogs.
I further understand that the rspca will be present to answer questions and give their advice in regard to dog ownership.
This I can assume will give the ideal opportunity to raise certain serious issues in public with the rspca pertaining to their use of captive boltguns and pithing to kill not only 10 German Shepherd dogs but the 65 pet dogs they have admitted to killing with their captive boltguns.
The cold facts are that the RSPCA figures for 2008 show that they destroyed 8313 dogs and 12,329 cats .
This is what could happen to your pet... and thankfully the Conservative blog is covering peoples` genuine concerns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWrcZKOzs4
Please contact Kettering Council:
[email protected]
Safewings· 169 weeks ago
The rspca are going against ALL their previous policies regarding never rehoming pets over the Christmas period.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.t...
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Safewings· 169 weeks ago
I raised the issue of the rspca murdering dogs by using captive bolts and Pithing with Kettering Council. They responded as follows but not a mention of the link I posted to them or the actions of the rspca ?
"Dogs that are not returned to their owners are signed over by the Council following seven days from the date of seizure to a rehoming facility. I can state that our kennels see euthanasia as an absolute last resort, however, have to be mindful of the cost of continuing to kennel and care for abandoned pets and the likelihood of rehoming being successful".
Jayne Shenstone· 169 weeks ago
RSPCA and WSPA dare to put their name to something saying Cesar is cruel - yet they can shoot 65 dogs this year alone with a captive bolt.
http://www.dogwelfarecampaign.org/
Get writing:
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Safewings· 168 weeks ago
The RSPCA are hypocrits in daring to put their name to something saying Cesar Millan ( Dog wisperer ) is cruel. How can the most recognised animal rights charity in the UK administer the callous and cruel method of using captive bolt guns followed up by a sick method known as pithing to despatch 65 pet dogs already in 2009.
They have placed themselves above the Law and implement any means they feel in both dispensing unwanted animals and enforcing their draconian self adopted laws onto the animal loving Nation.
The cold facts are that the RSPCA figures for 2008 show that they destroyed 8313 dogs and 12,329 cats .This cannot be justified as their finacial status could see more facilities constructed to hold the increasing numbers of abandoned Pets.
The Animal Welfare Act constructed basically from an rspca wish list including a so called " Duty of Care" has failed abysmally but like with the ignorance of a Governing political party they continue unchallenged and above reproach.
People in glasshouses should not throw stones and the rspca in their expensive glass palace are the typical example.
Jayne Shenstone· 168 weeks ago
Interestingly, the ignorant PR company haven't replied to our emails!
Jayne Shenstone· 168 weeks ago
RSPCA have been on Alan Titchmarsh show asking for help with donations / food as they want to help any many animals over the xmas period They said if you are concerned about any pets contact them.
Can we complain. If they are going to allow the RSPCA to beg for money, they should at least tell the public how it may be spent
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Andrew Meads· 168 weeks ago
my first email to Spun gold....
Dear Editor,
There are many charities working very hard and needing funds and donations to keep going but one that most certainly does not is the rspca.
Perhaps Alan Tichmarsh should have covered many of the true issues pertaining to the rspca before giving them air time to beg for even more money.
Sadly due to the media suppressing a great deal of what actually goes on under the so called name of animal rights sickening episodes such as the rspca killing ten German Shepherd dogs with a captive boltgun followed up by pithing simply gets brushed under the carpet and when we try to raise the issue it never makes the media. So it is very likely that the above issues will be peacefully raised with the rspca at the advisory Council meeting.
Reply
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Andrew Meads· 167 weeks ago
Just looked up Mark Evans Vet TV presenters website to ask his opinion, now he fronts for the rspca about the use of captive bolt guns.
As follows and no suprise:Mark is unable to respond to animal welfare / RSPCA related matters through this website.
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Jayne Shenstone· 166 weeks ago
The latest gem from the RSPCA:
Thank you for your enquiry.
One of the hardest things anyone has to do at the RSPCA is to put an animal to sleep. However, we all recognise that this is often the kindest thing to do, and that it is a sad but necessary part of our work.
Because of this, some 230 RSPCA inspectors in England and Wales are licensed by the Home Office and the police to carry firearms. This is so that they are able, if needed, to quickly and humanely dispatch animals (mainly wild animals and farm livestock) that are suffering.
An all-too-common example is when a wild animal, such as a deer, has been hit by a car or lorry. These animals are often left injured by the roadside and in severe pain, but with no hope of recovery or rehabilitation, and euthanasia is the only option left. Because the first choice in most cases is the use of a lethal injection, firearms are used very rarely and only where it is safe and necessary.
To put this into context, when our staff sadly have to put an animal to sleep, a firearm is used in less than one per cent of all cases. And in the overwhelming majority of these incidents, they do so to end the suffering of injured or diseased wild animals. The RSPCA is by no means alone - members of the police, some vets, knackermen and people who enjoy shooting for sport are among others who also have firearms licences.
We have a number of strict policies and procedures to make sure that animal welfare and safety is always paramount, and we have an exemplary record over many years. These policies and procedures are reviewed regularly by the RSPCA, and by ACPO (the Association of Chief Police Officers). ACPO most recently approved our processes in November 2009, reporting that they were "very impressed" by our "professional approach".
On occasion there are times when using a firearm is not practical, safe, or the best option for the animal. This means where necessary our staff use a process involving a 'captive bolt gun', which does not require a licence. This procedure is approved for use by RSPCA officers if using a lethal injection is impractical or inappropriate - for example, where an animal is too aggressive or when there is a relevant medical condition.
The RSPCA's experience in this field, which is based on compelling evidence, allows us to state that this method is completely humane when used by trained officers. Again, this method of euthanasia is used in the vast majority of occasions to quickly end the suffering of injured wild animals. We are very aware that putting animals to sleep does upset many people. In the current economic climate, we are facing a rising tide of animal neglect and abandonment, and this often puts our staff and others in danger, and leaves the RSPCA to make hard choices when few others will.
No-one working for the RSPCA finds this aspect of their role at all easy although when it is done, it's done because there is no other option. Euthanasia is always carried out with great reluctance but our highly trained officers, compassionate men and women, do so knowing it is the right thing to do.
In response to your final point, the euthanasia of ten German shepherd dogs in South Wales in June of this year is currently under investigation by the police and the RSPCA is co-operating fully with them. Because of this, it would inappropriate for the RSPCA to comment on any matters relating to this incident at this stage.
Thank you again for contacting the Society.
Kind regards
RSPCA HQ Advice Team
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Richard· 165 weeks ago
What the RSPCA just conveniently fails to mention is that many of the animals which it executes out of hand are very probably people's beloved pets, which they have persuaded the Courts to confiscate - using malicious lies and accusations. My puppies were taken at the age of 8 days, simply because I'd docked their tails. Along with their mother, they were then encarcerated for the best part of a year whilst 'due legal process' wended its way. Then they were duly taken from me by the Courts and handed to the RSPCA for 're-homing', i.e. meaning almost certain death for them. To try to re-home adult Dobermann dogs in these difficult times has to be very difficult indeed. They are not simply every dog-owner's cup of tea.
Such is the RSPCA's despicable mentality; where there is any doubt, execution is their preferred option for anyone's beloved pet.
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suzie· 165 weeks ago
Was upset to see that Boris wants to 'dispose' of 'status dogs' (when I was a child ladies with small poodles were carrying them as status in a certain profession) Does he not understand Deed not Breed? What will happen to those in rescue now if they have no hope of being adoptable? Will this spread? We had a man here who was threatening ladies with small dogs that he would let his rottie off and it would rip their dogs to shreds. The lady was concerned if she reported it, the dog b PTS Solicitor explained to us that it would be man in trouble - not dog - for using it as a weapon to intimidate and threaten. Surely when these 'status dogs' are being abused in such a manner, they should be siezed AND REHOMED, and owners charged with threatening with offensive weapon. It was already covered - why round up, persecute and kill? Thought blood on hands was a new labour thing. Shame on you Boris. I have a pair of rescues in at moment - under these rules their forever home will be a table at the vets and a needle in their arm because they are Mastiffs. They have come from horror, we have put in a lot of work. Glad I dont live in London - so sad.
suzie· 165 weeks ago
About time the police accepted that Law Enforcement is THEIR JOB - rather than using the avoidance method of policing with a thick layer of buck-passing. RSPCA are supposedly an animal protection charity - emphasis on the word charity. Nexct police will be handing all child abuse reports on to childline and NSPCC for prosecution, and Rape Cris is obviously the best place to refer phone in victims, as they can collate and prosecute. Stupid? Thats the reality. Understand a fireman wont come get your cat out of a tree - unless an inspector calls - not allowed to any more.
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yasinakgun58p· 164 weeks ago
Hi guys, this article should interest you. It's about soldiers in Iraq abusing animals, using dogs for target practice. Contains graphic videos so please do not watch if you're easily affected - http://theconservativeblog.co.uk/?p=1966
Victoria Thomas· 163 weeks ago
Have you all heard about the latest raid at Rosedene kennels by the police and rspca? Are the rspca a charity, in which case why are they closing other rescues? Or are they an Enforcement Agency, in which case they should be stripped of charitable status. They refused to let staff clean out, feed or water the dogs for twelve hours and the poor dogs were kept in the mess in their cages so that the rspca could photograph ''evidence''. Even though all 59 dogs were healthy and friendly, three were put down as ''aggressive'' --- (Excuse me but wouldn't you get angry and scared if fifty pairs of feet and helmets charged in?), and we've heard that a further 19 dogs have been put down.
They closed down the kennels and removed all the dogs. Staff were forbidden from entering the kennels until all dogs had gone. So all these dogs had been left in their own mess for 24 hours in total, as the raid began at 9am and ended at 9pm. I spoke to people at my local rescue yesterday and they had visited Rosedene many times and said the dogs were in good condition and were walked and played with every day. The place itself is a bit rundown due to lack of funding. Once again Britains richest charity would rather prosecute than help.
Muns· 162 weeks ago
The latest 'easy target' is Rosedene Rescue which was raided on 21st January 2010 The RSPCA put 3 healthy dogs down on site and took another 56 and will not give any answers about where the 56 dogs are now. Some of them had homes waiting and others were due to move to other rescues....but rumours are that the RSPCA have PTS a further 10 dogs. The RSPCA will not comment on this......The rescue has not been closed or 'charged' but more headlines and more donations? The RSPCA arrived with 50 officers and police in the morning as volunteers and staff were about to clean the kennels or in some cases had started but not replaced fresh bedding. The staff were not allowed to continue cleaning, walk them or give the dogs water all day long and then the RSPCA took photos of the kennels uncleaned - the dogs were stressed and staff were not allowed to comfort them or help load them into RSPCA vehicles. One of the 3 dogs slaughtered at the scene by the RSPCA had been at the kennels some considerable time and was healthy and well adjusted as were the other 2 which has been proved by many photos of staff walking them etc They just happened to be a Staffie and 2 Rottweilers who were probably, like the staff and other dogs alike petrified by all these starngers invading their space and 'their humans' giving off their scared body language and smells too no doubt. If The Tory party put taking these powers away from the RSPCA in their manifesto, they would get my vote....
PLEASE DO SOMETHING BEFORE ANY MORE ANIMALS DIE NEEDLESSLY!
Maria· 162 weeks ago
I really feel strongly that the RSPCA should be stripped of its power to prosecute, the vast majority of RSPCA prosecutions involve the mentally ill, the disabled and pensioners the oldest of whom was in his nineties. The recent raid on Rosedene Kennels in the West Midlands where kennel staff were prevented from carrying out their morning cleaning duties only to have RSPCA inspectors film the unclean kennels is a direct falsification of the evidence - I am sure this would never happen if all cases were refered to the CPS as has happened in Scotland. I would be interested to know if a Tory government would order a review with a view to removing the RSPCAs power to prosecute.
Victoria Thomas· 162 weeks ago
The Animal Justice Campaign is dedicated to getting the Law changed;
To ban the Captive Bolt Gun for use on cats and dogs. (The RSPCA are the only people who do this now).
To stop the RSPCA killing in ANY form, it should only be done by a qualified Vet.
To remove from the RSPCA the right to prosecute, and hand all cases to the CPS.
To put the RSPCA on a level playing field with all other animal charities, so that farces like Rosedene do not happen again. The idea that one charity can bully and threaten another is ridiculous and dangerous, because there is a conflict of interest. The RSPCA seems to think that the more Rescues it closes, the more funds will divert to them and the more power they will gain. THEY MUST BE STOPPED FROM ACHIEVING THEIR ULTIMATE AIM- to control ALL animal ownership in England and Wales.
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Jayne Shenstone· 160 weeks ago
The High Court Judge said: “This was a vexatious attack on the beneficiaries and the claim had absolutely no merit."
Laura Whateley
A High Court judge has criticised the RSPCA for demanding that the heirs of a wealthy donor pay the inheritance tax on his gift.
The friends and brother of George Mason, who left the RSPCA more than £480,000 in his will, were taken to court by the animal charity.
However, High Court judge Mr Justice Peter Smith dismissed the claim and ordered the RSPCA to pay the costs of the legal action on an indemnity basis - the highest level that can be awarded, which usually reflects the court’s displeasure.
Had the RSPCA won its case, legacies to George Mason’s friends Norman and Patricia Sharp, who are in their mid-seventies, would have been cut by more than £130,000, and brother John Mason, 85, would have received just £ 28,820.
This comes just a week after the RSPCA was ordered to pay the bulk of £1.3million legal costs after losing a lengthy court battle against Christine Gill, who was disinherited by her mother’s gift to the charity. Judge James Allen QC punished the charity for refusing to negotiate before the case came to court.
George Mason, who died in 2007 aged 75, left £234,000 and his house in Gosport, Hampshire, worth around £169,000, to Mr Sharp, a seaman he had known for 30 years, and his wife.
Mr Mason had also given them £234,000 from his assets and £66,000 to his brother.
The residue of his estate - £482,820 - went to the RSPCA. The charity claimed the £112,667 inheritance tax should come from the other beneficiaries under the terms of the will.
But Mr Justice Smith commented during the hearing that it was “clear” from reading the will that Mr Mason never intended that any tax liability should fall on his brother or friends and should be paid from the remainder of the estate after their legacy had been calculated.
Mr Justice Smith, who is to give his reasons for dismissing the claim in a written ruling in the future, said although the claim was not “frivolous” it was “extremely weak and should not have been brought”.
Keith Gordon, representing John Mason, told the judge after he dismissed the RSPCA’s claim that the charity should pay the legal costs itself rather than from the money it was gifted.
He said: “This was a vexatious attack on the beneficiaries and the claim had absolutely no merit.
“To award costs directly against the RSPCA would give a message to the charity sector generally to learn from this lesson.”
Even though the ruling had gone against the charity, it would still be receiving £370,000 after paying the inheritance tax bill.
Sarah Cooper, an associate at Hodge Jones & Allen LLP, said: “Generally it is presumed that gifts and legacies in a will are to take effect free of tax unless there is an indication to the contrary, meaning that the beneficiary of the residue is responsible for the inheritance tax.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/articl...
Adam· 158 weeks ago
What a truly ridiculous post.
The RSPCA is involved with improving animal welfare on a national, and an international scale, and that aim is inherently political in nature. Looking after 140 dogs is fine, but what about the 500 million or so farm animals languishing in UK factory farms every year? What about the organised criminal gangs forcing dogs to fight one another? What about the law that prevented any action from being taken to rescue a pet from neglect until it had actually suffered sufficiently (as was the case before the AWA, enacted after continuous lobbying from the RSPCA). Open your eyes: there is more to animal welfare than rescue dogs and pet shelters.
And by the way, a classroom is a terrible place for an animal, especially one which is naturally timid and fearful. That is why the RSPCA is concerned, because they care about the welfare of the animal, and not the satisfaction of the humans who want to use it.
Yes, they sometimes make a bad call with regard to prosecutions, as do the police and CPS. To drag up such examples as evidence of their being 'corrupt' is frankly disgusting. The RSPCA are champions of animal welfare in Britain and the world.
antirspca· 154 weeks ago
another little known bit of RSPCA abuse is that it uses money donated to it by people which is supposed to help animals, to support it's political agenda, NOT help animals. The most despicable example is the RSPCA donating funds to anti-hunting extremists who used those funds to POISON foxhounds, causing them an extremely agonising and painful death. Another anti-hunting extremist group used these funds to hire a miniature helicopter to terrify horses, and finally used it to murder a hunt supporter by deliberately swinging the rotors towards him while on the ground and slicing his head open. The hunt supporter was merely approaching them to ask them to keep the noisy machine away from the horses which it was scaring.
Clive Blackwood· 153 weeks ago
I was talking to a mate who is Senior Clerk at Crown Office Chambers and apparently Sally Case's old set next door - The Chambers of Robert Seabrooke QC - have apparently been paid nearly two million pounds by the charity this year alone!